God's Very Simple Will, Under His Pure GRACE!

[ForestGreenCook]

Paul warns us thoroughly about what we have to repent of and what we have to begin to walk in or like them who were saved but then later destroyed we aren’t going to have any inheritance

I think you are right on, with your comments, but, if I may correct you about those of Israel that turned away from God, as they were journeying through the wilderness did not lose their inheritance of eternal heaven, but they did lose their fellowship with God until they bring themselves to repent.

The natural man, according to 1 Cor 2:14, will not repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws, because he cannot discern them, thinking them to be foolishness.

When a born again child of God commits a sin they separate themselves from God's fellowship, temporary, until they repent, because God will not fellowship sin.

All of the elect that are of the household of Jacob/Israel will inherit eternal heaven, even though most of them turned away from God, except the remnant of the household of Jacob, who were revealed the righteousness of God, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Zeph 3:12-13)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I think you are right on, with your comments, but, if I may correct you about those of Israel that turned away from God, as they were journeying through the wilderness did not lose their inheritance of eternal heaven, but they did lose their fellowship with God until they bring themselves to repent.

The natural man, according to 1 Cor 2:14, will not repent of breaking one of God's spiritual laws, because he cannot discern them, thinking them to be foolishness.

When a born again child of God commits a sin they separate themselves from God's fellowship, temporary, until they repent, because God will not fellowship sin.

All of the elect that are of the household of Jacob/Israel will inherit eternal heaven, even though most of them turned away from God, except the remnant of the household of Jacob, who were revealed the righteousness of God, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Zeph 3:12-13)

“I think you are right on, with your comments, but, if I may correct you about those of Israel that turned away from God, as they were journeying through the wilderness did not lose their inheritance of eternal heaven, but they did lose their fellowship with God until they bring themselves to repent.”

They were never offered heaven they were offered the earthly land of Israel the land promised to Abraham’s offspring. this is their inheritance and where it came from

“And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: for all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭13:14-17‬ ‭

Israel was given this land and then given a law for that land and eternal covenant based upon what is written in Moses book of the law

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

And it shall come to pass, when the LORD thy God hath brought thee in unto the land whither thou goest to possess it, that thou shalt put the blessing upon mount Gerizim, and the curse upon mount Ebal.

For ye shall pass over Jordan to go in to possess the land which the LORD your God giveth you, and ye shall possess it, and dwell therein.

And ye shall observe to do all the statutes and judgments which I set before you this day.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-29, 31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is isreals covenant conditions and their inheritance thier “ promised land “ and this is what God said would happen

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?

And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods. Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.

For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.

And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God already knew tbey would break the covenant and would receive all th cirses in the law for doing so curses like this

“But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:14-17, 22, 25, 29-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The old covenant was broken and fulfilled as a curse The land is desolate thier inheritance was made desolate they didn’t “ lose “ it they could inherit a blessing in tbier land or a curse they chose the curse and desolation that’s the reason we need a new covenant because of this

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when they rejected and condemned Jesus to death this was thier last chance and led to this

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they weren’t offered the kingdom of God ( heavenly ) until Jesus came preaching it when they rejected Jesus that severed Israel’s covenant and left them desolate as all mankind is without accepting Jesus and his gospel that’s all there is for Israel or gentiles all nations

Notice something was taken away from them because of what they did and it was given to other people.

any israelite can be saved the exact same way any gentile can be saved all things are equal Now and all
Is based on Jesus and his word that’s where the inheritance is in the Heir

 

[ForestGreenCook]

true , but if we only acknowledge that he said that we’re rejecting the rest right ? He said “ the work of God is this believe on the one he sent “

that’s true so what about what he taught them who believed ? Are they supposed to not believe his teachings and just say “ no you said I just need to believe in you “

do you see what I mean ? Of we believe in the one God sent we have to acknowledge why he was sent

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus repeatedly said the same thing in different various ways so your argument is because Jesus said to believe in him , he didn’t say this or it doesn’t apply ? This is what he said to those who did believe in him

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32‬ ‭

We don’t reject his words on the basis that we believe in him it’s an issue when one verse tries to omit the others .

if we believe in Jesus we will believe what he said that includes all e truth God sent him to teach and say believe and be saved

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to those who believe in him , this has too much value to reject in the name of grace

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:51‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to a believer this is too great to reject they will Pursue his words of eternal
Life

“Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:68-69‬ ‭KJV‬‬

To say I believe Jesus exists is one thing , to believe in Jesus is to accept his words as those of God. His doctrine is what makes us righteous believing his teachings and words what he taught about life , death , sin repentance , brotherly love , good works , eternal
Life , God the father , his children everything he preached in the gospel is the truth is my point of we believe in him we will come to that understanding and believe because it’s eternal
Life

we have to grow up at some point and start bearing fruit that’s always a warning over an unfruitful life in Christ if we can’t acknowledge his teachings it’s because we can’t handle the truth yet . Sometimes we’re not ready , other times we love sin too much and aren’t willing to come into repentance but God knows the difference

rejecting his teachings ( I don’t know whether you do or not ) but doing so leaves us facing the judgement of the dead

Too many of God's, well intended, children, do not take into consideration that the salvation scriptures, according to Strong's Greek interpretation, mean "deliverance".

If you apply all of the salvation scriptures to being eternal deliverance, they will tend to teach that eternal deliverance is accomplished by our good works.

There are many deliverances that the born again child of God receives, here in time, by doing good works, such as most of the scriptures that you have quoted.

Eternal deliverance only comes by God's sovereign grace, without any action of mankind's.

Repenting, accepting, believing, confessing, baptism, etc, are all works that require mankind's acting upon them.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

“I think you are right on, with your comments, but, if I may correct you about those of Israel that turned away from God, as they were journeying through the wilderness did not lose their inheritance of eternal heaven, but they did lose their fellowship with God until they bring themselves to repent.”

They were never offered heaven they were offered the earthly land of Israel the land promised to Abraham’s offspring. this is their inheritance and where it came from

“And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: for all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever. And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭13:14-17‬ ‭

Israel was given this land and then given a law for that land and eternal covenant based upon what is written in Moses book of the law

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

And it shall come to pass, when the LORD thy God hath brought thee in unto the land whither thou goest to possess it, that thou shalt put the blessing upon mount Gerizim, and the curse upon mount Ebal.

For ye shall pass over Jordan to go in to possess the land which the LORD your God giveth you, and ye shall possess it, and dwell therein.

And ye shall observe to do all the statutes and judgments which I set before you this day.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:26-29, 31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is isreals covenant conditions and their inheritance thier “ promised land “ and this is what God said would happen

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?

And I will surely hide my face in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other gods. Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.

For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant.

And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God already knew tbey would break the covenant and would receive all th cirses in the law for doing so curses like this

“But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours. And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:14-17, 22, 25, 29-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The old covenant was broken and fulfilled as a curse The land is desolate thier inheritance was made desolate they didn’t “ lose “ it they could inherit a blessing in tbier land or a curse they chose the curse and desolation that’s the reason we need a new covenant because of this

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when they rejected and condemned Jesus to death this was thier last chance and led to this

“But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:37-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they weren’t offered the kingdom of God ( heavenly ) until Jesus came preaching it when they rejected Jesus that severed Israel’s covenant and left them desolate as all mankind is without accepting Jesus and his gospel that’s all there is for Israel or gentiles all nations

Notice something was taken away from them because of what they did and it was given to other people.

any israelite can be saved the exact same way any gentile can be saved all things are equal Now and all
Is based on Jesus and his word that’s where the inheritance is in the Heir

Yes Spiritual Israel has always been back and forth in serving God and in serving other gods. Even in this day and time. We all need to repent of our fleshly desires.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Revision version 3.1 (RDF = Rightly Divided From):

The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should
not trust in ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who
Delivered us from So Great A Death,...
(RDF)

...and Doth Deliver:...
(RDF)

...in Whom we trust that He Will Yet Deliver us;"
(2 Corinthians 1:9-10)
----------------------------
E-X-P-A-N-D-E-D version:

Precious friend(s), Is not the Solution to Confusion recog-
nizing These THREE, And, Also, God's Differences Between
"HIS Relationship With us," And (RDF) "our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

► faith (100% trust/belief with the heart!) ◄
1) Past Tense = "...God Delivered us from So Great A Death...":

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship
With those who humbly repent and

believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST,
HIS Death (Precious BLOOD) , Burial, And HIS Resurrection,
According To The Scriptures!
(1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits
Of HIS ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, His Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
(Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13; Romans 6:23; Romans 5:1)

This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Penalty of sin,
The So Great A [Second ] Death! (Revelation 21:8) =
Justification and Spiritual Sanctification
(2 Corinthians 1:10a cp Romans 3:24)

(More Biblical Confirmation is here: God's ETERNAL Assurance!
And here:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!)

► faith ◄
God's ETERNAL Justification/Relationship Is First, And, Then:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

►► love ◄◄
(2) Present Tense = "...God Doth Deliver us...":

All believers Should do "good works" {Which will Never
Equal CHRIST's Payment For the above Penalty of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform
for Him, having "been Called into fellowship With Him!"
(Ephesians 2:10; 1 Corinthians 1:9) Amen?:

We "work out our own salvation" (Philippians 2:12). This
Should Be a lifetime of Daily submission, and renewing,
being "not conformed to this world" (Romans 12:1-2),
for Grace Deliverance From the power of sin!}
(2 Corinthians 1:10b) = personal sanctification:

(2a) Christ Living In us, To Fulfil:

All Of His Law, In "One Word: Love thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10)

(2b) His Spirit Guiding and Teaching us, How To:

"Study to shew thyself Approved Unto God, a work-man​

that needeth not to be ashamed, Rightly ​

Dividing The Word Of Truth!" (2 Timothy 2:15)​

Eternal Results: reward (GOOD works Required!) [or loss (BAD works!) *]
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15), ruling and reigning [or not *] With CHRIST, Which
Will Finally Be At The Judgment Day!

* More study: Finishing The Race

►► love ◄◄:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

►►► Blessed HOPE! ◄◄◄
(3) Future Tense = "...God Will Yet Deliver us":

CHRIST's Glorification of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal Deliverance From the Presence of sin!}
(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-57;
2 Corinthians 1:10c). Hallelujah! Praise HIS Excellent Name!!
----------------------------------
Conclusion:

BIG Differences Between the THREE tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation,
And Between God's Relationship And (RDF) our fellowship! Correct?

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).

[/QUOTE]
Great insight. Thanks

 

[harpo]

Yes Spiritual Israel has always been back and forth in serving God and in serving other gods. Even in this day and time. We all need to repent of our fleshly desires.

What other gods do they serve? Are you talking Old Testament stuff? America also serves all sorts of gods.

 

[harpo]

Too many of God's, well intended, children, do not take into consideration that the salvation scriptures, according to Strong's Greek interpretation, mean "deliverance".

If you apply all of the salvation scriptures to being eternal deliverance, they will tend to teach that eternal deliverance is accomplished by our good works.

There are many deliverances that the born again child of God receives, here in time, by doing good works, such as most of the scriptures that you have quoted.

Eternal deliverance only comes by God's sovereign grace, without any action of mankind's.

Repenting, accepting, believing, confessing, baptism, etc, are all works that require mankind's acting upon them.

I'm not so sure I would call those things works. I think I would call them obligations to salvation.

 

[Kroogz]

Precious friend(s). God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

(1) believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

Results: all sins Forgiven, Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!

(2) Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself!"
(Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

(3) "Study" HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, for "Approval!"
(2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)

Eternal Results: reward, ruling, and reigning With CHRIST!

Precious friend(s): Please Be Very Richly Blessed!

Newest UPDATE: God's Simple Will:

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in
ourselves, but in God Which raiseth the dead: Who delivered us from so great
a death, and doth deliver: in Whom we trust that He will yet deliver us;
(2 Corinthians 1:9-10 KJB!) = The THREE Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation:

Precious friend(s), is not the Solution to Confusion recognizing
God's Differences Between "HIS Relationship With us," And
"our fellowship with HIM!"?

God's Will, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE? Very Simply:

(1) God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With those who humbly:
believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits Of HIS
Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, HIS Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
{This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PENALTY of sin!}
Justification = "God delivered us from so great a death"
{PAST Tense}, First, And, THEN:

(2) The believer SHOULD do "good works" {Which will NEVER
EQUAL CHRIST's TOTAL PAYMENT For the above PENALTY of sin!},
for Which we Are Created In CHRIST JESUS, to perform for HIM,
having "been Called into fellowship With HIM!" Amen?:

We "work out OUR OWN salvation" {This SHOULD Be a
lifetime of DELIVERANCE From the POWER of sin!}
Sanctification = "God DOTH Deliver" {present tense}:

(2a) "Present your body a living sacrifice" To The LORD
(Romans 12:1-2 KJB!):

(2b) Fulfil ALL Of His Law, In "ONE Word: LOVE your neighbor
as yourself!" (Galatians 5:14; Romans 13:8-10 KJB!)

(2c) Study HIS Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, to show
yourself Approved Unto God! (2 Timothy 2:15 KJB!)

Eternal Results: reward {or loss} (1 Corinthians 3 : 8-15 KJB!),
ruling and reigning With CHRIST, Which Will FINALLY Be At
The Judgment Day:

(3) CHRIST's GLORIFICATION of All "members" Of HIS Body!!
{This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PRESENCE of sin!}
"God Will Yet Deliver" {Future Tense} - Amen?
-------------------------------------------------------
Conclusion = BIG Differences Between:
God's Relationship With us, And our fellowship with HIM!
Correct?

More here:
God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST!
God's Eternal Assurance

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

Great message! Your Bible study resource is spot on. Good to see Grace believers on this site.

 

[GospelScribe]

I never confessed faith in Christ because of “my” sins…I really didn’t think that I was that “bad”… but, I wanted eternal life with God (Love) and, more importantly at that time, acceptance by the people in the church. So, Church was a “social club” for me. I never repented of my sins, because I didn’t believe that I was a “sinner”. The Lord began to reveal my sinful condition to me, over the course of these past few years. How many times have I said the “sinners prayer” (and meant it) since 1974… sadly, only within the last few years, after experiencing the depravity, evil and wickedness of my own soul, have I earnestly confessed my need for salvation and now I repent on a daily basis (often, several times a day). God save me… a sinner, condemned, unclean. God, I thank You for Jesus!!! Cleanse me from all of my sins, in Jesus’ Name!!! Amen!!!

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I never confessed faith in Christ because of “my” sins…I really didn’t think that I was that “bad”… but, I wanted eternal life with God (Love) and, more importantly at that time, acceptance by the people in the church. So, Church was a “social club” for me. I never repented of my sins, because I didn’t believe that I was a “sinner”. The Lord began to reveal my sinful condition to me, over the course of these past few years. How many times have I said the “sinners prayer” (and meant it) since 1974… sadly, only within the last few years, after experiencing the depravity, evil and wickedness of my own soul, have I earnestly confessed my need for salvation and now I repent on a daily basis (often, several times a day). God save me… a sinner, condemned, unclean. God, I thank You for Jesus!!! Cleanse me from all of my sins, in Jesus’ Name!!! Amen!!!

Sounds a bit like david and what he discovered that led him to repentance for in psalm 51

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes Spiritual Israel has always been back and forth in serving God and in serving other gods. Even in this day and time. We all need to repent of our fleshly desires.

What’s spiritual israel ?

are you talking about the nation of Israel God created in the Old Testament according to the twelve tribes of jacobs children ?

But yes indeed we agree there we all need to repent of the law of sin that lives within our flesh.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Too many of God's, well intended, children, do not take into consideration that the salvation scriptures, according to Strong's Greek interpretation, mean "deliverance".

If you apply all of the salvation scriptures to being eternal deliverance, they will tend to teach that eternal deliverance is accomplished by our good works.

There are many deliverances that the born again child of God receives, here in time, by doing good works, such as most of the scriptures that you have quoted.

Eternal deliverance only comes by God's sovereign grace, without any action of mankind's.

Repenting, accepting, believing, confessing, baptism, etc, are all works that require mankind's acting upon them.

So you’re saying to hear believe and do what God said will save someone isnt the way to go about it ? Because you have to do what he said will save you ? We should t think we need to believe and obey God like he said will save us ?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Hyper grace?

Results: all sins Forgiven, Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!

Here, lemme fix thissin' for ya:

all sins forgiven where one asks for forgiveness, Eternal Life, and , peace with God.

the precious blood of Jesus cleanses us of our sins and makes us worthy to be called the children of God and heirs to the Promise. However, one must repent and ASK for forgiveness of their sins in order for the blood to be applied.

(IMO)

Commits without scripture back up prevails nothing.

Only those who have been born again with the heart change (Ezk 11:19) can be pricked by God to feel spiritual guilt, and repent of breaking God's spiritual laws, unlike the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I'm not so sure I would call those things works. I think I would call them obligations to salvation.

Or another way to put it would be acting in faith because we believe the lord who told us about it

There seems to be confusion about faith

faith doesn’t mean “ I believe so therefore I never need to obey what he said will destroy me or save me “

faith means more along the lines of “ I believe in Jesus I know he died for my sins because he loves me that much and I know he rose up from death for my justification to be my lord and justifier because I believe in him and know what he said is true both the blessing and the warnings and will surely come to pass . so I’ll give my whole heart and soul to following my lords will and ways In the gospel “

It’s not an excuse of why we now don’t have to do what God said as some others seems to interpret it when God tells us something and we believe what he said and act upon it it’s faith when we say we believe but never act upon it we’re deceiving our selves

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What’s spiritual israel ?

are you talking about the nation of Israel God created in the Old Testament according to the twelve tribes of jacobs children ?

But yes indeed we agree there we all need to repent of the law of sin that lives within our flesh.

Spiritual Israel is not the nation of Israel (Rom 9:6). God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28). Jacob/Israel represents spiritual Israel (Rom 9:6-11). Spiritual Israel is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9).

 

[ForestGreenCook]

So you’re saying to hear believe and do what God said will save someone isnt the way to go about it ? Because you have to do what he said will save you ? We should t think we need to believe and obey God like he said will save us ?

Eternal deliverance was accomplished by Christ's sacrifice on the cross for all of those that God gave him and Jesus promise of their eternal inheritance was secured in the fact that he said that he would not lose any of them, but raise them up at the last day (John 6:36-39)

Christ's sacrifice on the cross was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not an offering to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.

Save=deliver, saved=delivered, salvation=deliverance, according to Strong's concordance. Those that Christ died for on the cross were delivered eternally, and those that he delivered eternally are delivered from their non-fellowship with God, as they sojourn here on earth every time they repent when they commit a sin.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Spiritual Israel is not the nation of Israel (Rom 9:6). God changed Jacob's name to be no more called Jacob, but to be called Israel (Gen 32:28). Jacob/Israel represents spiritual Israel (Rom 9:6-11). Spiritual Israel is made up of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation (Rev 5:9).

So the church is who you’re calling spiritual Israel ? I was just curious who you meant

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Eternal deliverance was accomplished by Christ's sacrifice on the cross for all of those that God gave him and Jesus promise of their eternal inheritance was secured in the fact that he said that he would not lose any of them, but raise them up at the last day (John 6:36-39)

Christ's sacrifice on the cross was an offering to God, for God's acceptance, and not an offering to mankind, for mankind's acceptance.

Save=deliver, saved=delivered, salvation=deliverance, according to Strong's concordance. Those that Christ died for on the cross were delivered eternally, and those that he delivered eternally are delivered from their non-fellowship with God, as they sojourn here on earth every time they repent when they commit a sin.

So basically ignore what Jesus said in the gospel will save or condemn people and believe what you’re saying there is how to be saved ?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

So basically ignore what Jesus said in the gospel will save or condemn people and believe what you’re saying there is how to be saved ?

The question "how to be saved" implies the action of works, which is a false doctrine.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The question "how to be saved" implies the action of works, which is a false doctrine.

Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT a work but faith in Christ. Abraham BELIEVED GOD and it was imputed to him for righteousness. Read Romans chapter 4 to see that this is THE OPPOSITE of works.
You are so far off the rails, that it is not worth responding to your nonsensical posts.