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Yes, then you end up meeting people who are practicing Buddhists but say they are Christians, it is a bit confusing, as they spread their new age beliefs. And then there are the Chrislamists, that is just disturbing, and how about those like Oprah, who claim the title but then basically say Jesus was a liar. I have also met some who are into native spirituality but are not native, now that is something I was around the time of my conversion experiences also, going to sweats and participating in medicine wheels and such, but I just could not justify doing it as a born again Christian. It would sure feel wrong for me, but maybe it is part of their calling, who knows? More often than not, though, it just seems like a way for them to claim Christ, as if they are cool with such a cool dude so widely admired and respected on the world stage, while He might likely say of them, "I never knew you!"
J
My mind goes to my study of occult conspiracy at a certain point in time not long ago. The information made me feel a bit dirty even reading it, but it was very useful to have an understanding of the material to be able to further the cause of truth.
It's definitely a fine line sometimes. As believers, i think we should know about the things of the adversary to be able to equip ourselves to deal with him. But on the other hand, we don't want to end up like solomon (at least i don't).
It's definitely a fine line sometimes. As believers, i think we should know about the things of the adversary to be able to equip ourselves to deal with him. But on the other hand, we don't want to end up like solomon (at least i don't).
J
amen to that peter. the difficulty is Just accepting that it is what God wills for us. after that is is not difficult at all, yet effort is required. What Jesus did for us was Love, and id say it was not easy for Him at times even being who He is, the agony in the Garden shows the difficulty that Loving Gods way can be at times even while following the spirit. good insight thanx and God bless
J
Magenta, I have not denied His divinity in any way. Do you all think He was praying to His Father IN HEAVEN for show? or when He commited His spirit to His Father on the Cross. if He was the Father was His claim to be Gods son, His blessing of peters confession of His as the Christ the son of God, and the Fathers testimony from Heaven 2 separate times a lie? you all asked me is Jesus God? let me ask you is Jesus Gods son? and as it was asked of me yes or no. was Jesus the Son of the Living God? if you say No, then you are denying scripture, Jesus and the Fathers testimony, that He is. if you accept that He is Gods son, as it is stated By Jesus and also God the Father, then why am I under attack?
so is Jesus Gods Son, and to be fair, I was asked in this manner yes or no, is Jesus Gods Son?
so is Jesus Gods Son, and to be fair, I was asked in this manner yes or no, is Jesus Gods Son?
Yes, and I know in this case I can speak for my friend and sister magenta, she would answer yes, and when she returns, I'm sure she'll confirm.
Yes , Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is likewise God the Son.
You may be looking at it in human terms, almost like a parent/child relationship,
But that's not exactly the case.
This probably isn't the thread to try to explain the Trinity,
as if that is possible...we're the created, trying to explain/define the CreatOR,
not gonna be too easy. Lol
First we have to explain why sometimes we walk into the other room,
and can't remember what we went there for!
Yeah but in our genius, we're going to understand God in all His glory. Sure. Lol.
But I will try in another post. But yes, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. One God in three persons. And God the Son is the Son of God, who took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us. The Son of God is the Son of man also. Wow, praise the Lord! Fully God, fully man. Hallelujah!
Stay tuned...
Yes , Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is likewise God the Son.
You may be looking at it in human terms, almost like a parent/child relationship,
But that's not exactly the case.
This probably isn't the thread to try to explain the Trinity,
as if that is possible...we're the created, trying to explain/define the CreatOR,
not gonna be too easy. Lol
First we have to explain why sometimes we walk into the other room,
and can't remember what we went there for!
Yeah but in our genius, we're going to understand God in all His glory. Sure. Lol.
But I will try in another post. But yes, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. One God in three persons. And God the Son is the Son of God, who took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us. The Son of God is the Son of man also. Wow, praise the Lord! Fully God, fully man. Hallelujah!
Stay tuned...
Yes, and I know in this case I can speak for my friend and sister magenta, she would answer yes, and when she returns, I'm sure she'll confirm.
Yes , Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is likewise God the Son.
You may be looking at it in human terms, almost like a parent/child relationship,
But that's not exactly the case.
This probably isn't the thread to try to explain the Trinity,
as if that is possible...we're the created, trying to explain/define the CreatOR,
not gonna be too easy. Lol
First we have to explain why sometimes we walk into the other room,
and can't remember what we went there for!
Yeah but in our genius, we're going to understand God in all His glory. Sure. Lol.
But I will try in another post. But yes, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. One God in three persons. And God the Son is the Son of God, who took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us. The Son of God is the Son of man also. Wow, praise the Lord! Fully God, fully man. Hallelujah!
Stay tuned...
Yes , Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is likewise God the Son.
You may be looking at it in human terms, almost like a parent/child relationship,
But that's not exactly the case.
This probably isn't the thread to try to explain the Trinity,
as if that is possible...we're the created, trying to explain/define the CreatOR,
not gonna be too easy. Lol
First we have to explain why sometimes we walk into the other room,
and can't remember what we went there for!
Yeah but in our genius, we're going to understand God in all His glory. Sure. Lol.
But I will try in another post. But yes, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. One God in three persons. And God the Son is the Son of God, who took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us. The Son of God is the Son of man also. Wow, praise the Lord! Fully God, fully man. Hallelujah!
Stay tuned...
R
Yes, and I know in this case I can speak for my friend and sister magenta, she would answer yes, and when she returns, I'm sure she'll confirm.
Yes , Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is likewise God the Son.
You may be looking at it in human terms, almost like a parent/child relationship,
But that's not exactly the case.
This probably isn't the thread to try to explain the Trinity,
as if that is possible...we're the created, trying to explain/define the CreatOR,
not gonna be too easy. Lol
First we have to explain why sometimes we walk into the other room,
and can't remember what we went there for!
Yeah but in our genius, we're going to understand God in all His glory. Sure. Lol.
But I will try in another post. But yes, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. One God in three persons. And God the Son is the Son of God, who took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us. The Son of God is the Son of man also. Wow, praise the Lord! Fully God, fully man. Hallelujah!
Stay tuned...
Yes , Jesus is the Son of God.
Jesus is likewise God the Son.
You may be looking at it in human terms, almost like a parent/child relationship,
But that's not exactly the case.
This probably isn't the thread to try to explain the Trinity,
as if that is possible...we're the created, trying to explain/define the CreatOR,
not gonna be too easy. Lol
First we have to explain why sometimes we walk into the other room,
and can't remember what we went there for!
Yeah but in our genius, we're going to understand God in all His glory. Sure. Lol.
But I will try in another post. But yes, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost. One God in three persons. And God the Son is the Son of God, who took upon Himself human flesh and dwelt among us. The Son of God is the Son of man also. Wow, praise the Lord! Fully God, fully man. Hallelujah!
Stay tuned...
What kind of dessert? LOL... I like carrot cake.... can I get lost there? mmmmm... good.....
But, no, you are not alone. The trinity is difficult for us to comprehend sometimes.
mmmmm... good..... But, no, you are not alone. The trinity is difficult for us to comprehend sometimes.
Jasonj, explain this verse in light that you believe we must do something to receive Salvation.
John 3:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Where in this verse does God say anything about works or obedience or Baptism?
What God HAS said in this verse is Believe and Receive.
Too many false Christians try to deceive us into doing works for our Salvation. Yes God does say we are to be obedient to His commands but God does NOT say we are to be obedient to receive Salvation.
Luke 23:39-43[SUP]
39 [/SUP]One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” [SUP]40 [/SUP]But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? [SUP]41 [/SUP]And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” [SUP]42 [/SUP]And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” [SUP]43 [/SUP]And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
All the criminal, the Thief, did was to believe Jesus is God. He believed and received Salvation. He was not Baptized, he was not obedient, he did nothing to deserve Salvation other than Believe and Receive.
Show us where in Scriptures Salvation is based on being obedient or being Baptized.
John 3:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Where in this verse does God say anything about works or obedience or Baptism?
What God HAS said in this verse is Believe and Receive.
Too many false Christians try to deceive us into doing works for our Salvation. Yes God does say we are to be obedient to His commands but God does NOT say we are to be obedient to receive Salvation.
Luke 23:39-43[SUP]
39 [/SUP]One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, “Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” [SUP]40 [/SUP]But the other answered, and rebuking him said, “Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? [SUP]41 [/SUP]And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” [SUP]42 [/SUP]And he was saying, “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” [SUP]43 [/SUP]And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
All the criminal, the Thief, did was to believe Jesus is God. He believed and received Salvation. He was not Baptized, he was not obedient, he did nothing to deserve Salvation other than Believe and Receive.
Show us where in Scriptures Salvation is based on being obedient or being Baptized.
The problem HeRoseFromTheDead is not that you do not read the Scriptures, the problem is i do not see the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit in you.
Its the Holy Spirit that teaches us everything God says in the Scriptures. Without the Holy Spirit who or what is left in you that has any Truth?
Its not because you are older or have read the Scriptures from cover to cover that matters. Its what is Indwelling in you that counts. No one who has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit can call God a liar.
John 14:26
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
[h=1][/h]
Its the Holy Spirit that teaches us everything God says in the Scriptures. Without the Holy Spirit who or what is left in you that has any Truth?
Its not because you are older or have read the Scriptures from cover to cover that matters. Its what is Indwelling in you that counts. No one who has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit can call God a liar.
John 14:26
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
[h=1][/h]
I understand this to be speaking of the general state of "belief in Jesus".... it was not intended to be a treatise on "how to be saved". It was more a statement of "if you believe in Jesus you'll be saved, if you don't believe in Jesus, you won't" I don't believe it was a complete description of how to be saved.
There are many scriptures that go into more detail about how to be saved, and baptism is mentioned in many of them. In fact most accounts of people being saved include their being baptized.
Many times it is mentioned that they are saved, then baptized. Several places mention believing, repenting, then baptism. Some scriptures mention being saved, and baptism is not mentioned.
Taking all of this into account, I believe baptism is a necessary thing to do as a part of salvation. Salvation is free.. it's a gift. As a result of this gift, we are baptized in obedience to Jesus teaching... it is not a "work" to earn salvation, it is an act of obedience to our Savior, and a new birth into His body.
There are many scriptures that go into more detail about how to be saved, and baptism is mentioned in many of them. In fact most accounts of people being saved include their being baptized.
Many times it is mentioned that they are saved, then baptized. Several places mention believing, repenting, then baptism. Some scriptures mention being saved, and baptism is not mentioned.
Taking all of this into account, I believe baptism is a necessary thing to do as a part of salvation. Salvation is free.. it's a gift. As a result of this gift, we are baptized in obedience to Jesus teaching... it is not a "work" to earn salvation, it is an act of obedience to our Savior, and a new birth into His body.
I agree with most of this ....just have a problem with this theory of being water baptized means the "new birth in His body". As has been shown in a multiple of scriptures water baptism comes after one believes and is sealed by the Holy Spirit. Acts 10 shows this.
Acts 10:43-47 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."
[SUP]44 [/SUP] While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message.
[SUP]45 [/SUP] All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
[SUP]47 [/SUP] "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?"
In this theory of " a new birth into His body" - if a person that is a believer in Christ dies before he gets baptized - then he is not in the body of Christ. The scripture teaches the exact opposite. In this theory someone who doesn't have get water baptized before he dies - he goes to hell. This is anti-the gospel.
Paul Himself tells us too.
Ephesians 1:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
E
So your saying Jesus told nicodemus, Who should have known, How to be saved, And he left some very important parts out? If anything, If baptism was required. Then you would think jesus woould have flat out told him would you not? What did he say obout those who are not condemned. They did not believe. Nothing about believing in jesus, but not being baptized. No passage says baptism is required to be saved, (a few are misinterreted to say this, but they actually do not)
All over the place. we are told we are not saved by works, but faith.. Lets take God at his word And it is by his stripes we are healed (saved) not by our works.. ok?
All over the place. we are told we are not saved by works, but faith.. Lets take God at his word And it is by his stripes we are healed (saved) not by our works.. ok?