I think there is. I think it’s a real stretch to say that Matt 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD.
Brother shrume,
Let's try to logic this out.
I think that you would agree, that Matt 24, Mk 13, Lk 21, parts of Lk 17, are all parallel passages.
There are books and places where the passages are combined, that is the best way to study them.
But let's just take the passage from Lk 21:20-24.
For context, the verses leading up to this passage Lk 21:5-19, are the 2 questions, and then the description of the persecution of the apostles.
V 20, The surrounding of Jerusalem, and the impending destruction becomes plain.
V 21, People in Judea flee to the mountains. Not necessarily Jerusalem at this point, because it says when you see Jerusalem surrounded, so it is already too late for them.
V 22, These are the days of vengeance. For what? Rejecting the gospel kingdom? Yes. This has to happen, that is the dest of Jeru, because the prophecies about it must be fulfilled.
V 23, Hard times are ahead.
V 24, They will fall by the sword, and be taken away captive. They don't use guns anymore, and they don't take slaves anymore. So how can this be future?
The idea that in this modern age, that this will happen, swords, is not very likely. People think that this hasn't happened, but it can only have happened in 70 ad ish.
Some think that Israel will run and escape to the desert, just like 70 ad, but not this time, there is nowhere to go, they are surrounded right now.
The elephant in the room is that there is no honest way to conclude that Jesus returned in 70 AD.
Jerusalem was destroyed wasn't it? Who destroyed it, the Romans? OK, but how could Rome destroy Jerusalem, if God was protecting it?
God brought many armies against Jerusalem, to get the people to repent. Ezek 38:4 is an example.
The idea is just like the great flood. When God withdrew His blessings on the earth (element), the dark waters flooded in. When God returned blessings to the earth, the dark waters withdrew.
God withdrew His protection over Israel when the natural branches rejected the gospel kingdom, and the darkness of the Roman war clouds, flood waters, came rolling in.
Jesus came at the destruction, but it wasn't a resurrection coming, that is where much confusion is. Decide in the Bible where it is talking about His coming to destroy Jerusalem, and where it is talking about the resurrection coming.
It didn’t even come close. At all.
Well so far it looks like 70 ad, but let's keep going.
V 25, Signs in the sun, etc.. See Acts 2:16-21, 20. The passage describes the day of the Lord against the Jerusalem of 70 ad, not the day of the Lord against the world, that is yet to come. Peter plainly states in v 16, this is it.
Distress, perplexity, sea of the gentiles roaring, why?
The gentile nations knew of the God of Israel and His power. It was known since the exodus from Egypt and the events of the centuries that followed. But if God was real, why would He allow His people to be destroyed, Jerusalem to be destroyed? Why, they were perplexed. Distress, maybe there is no God after all. The waters swallowing up Jerusalem and the people of Israel, flooding out of the mouth of the Roman dragon beast Rev 12:15-16.
V 26, Powers of heaven shaken, changed. This certainly happened when Jesus died, and the veil was torn. The day of Pentecost the kingdom came, salvation came, redemption from sin came.
V 27, Israel will know that Jesus is the Son of God, when He brings Roman armies to destroy Jerusalem like He said.
V 28-31, The first thing mentioned in this passage is false Christs v 8, and hearing of wars v 9. So redemption for sin happens on the day of Pentecost, when these things begin. They didn't begin when Jerusalem was surrounded. They begin long before that.
V 32, The apostle John is believed to have lived long enough to see these events unfold, and the beginning of the times of the trampling gentiles.
V 33 Heaven and earth did pass away at the death of Jesus, the new covenant on Pentecost, and the dest of Jerusalem.
But it is shown in the symbolism of the OT scriptures.
Agreed, except it will be the first fulfillment.
Look at this, in order for pretrib to have events take place like they expect,
They must recreate exactly the conditions that took place in 70 ad ish.
That would be a temple, sacrifices, Israel's rejection of the gospel, an Antichrist different than Caesar (iron legs, 4th beast, 7heads/10 horns), and another times of the gentiles.
The situation would have to be exactly like the events of 70 ad.
But the events already happened.
You want to prove the abomination took place in the 70 ad temple? See if the image of Caesar was put in the temple.
Because that is exactly, what has to happen for pretrib to be true. The image of the Roman 4th beast iron dragon, must be placed in a rebuilt temple just like 70 ad.
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