why would millennial kingdom not be literal?
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God: I told you SIX TIMES that it would be a thousand years! What part of a thousand years is so unclear to you that you can't understand it means: a really, really, really long time but not exactly a thousand years???! 
God will not interrogate us about such things, but about our deeds.
Also, you may be wrong, so you should not quote "God", when its your quote only.
I am in a work now, so I would prefer just this forum discussion, so that I can come and go as I need to...
Well, because when we realize that Israel is spiritual, also prophecies about its kingdom should be spiritual, or else we would mix two various natures together.
And it is said in the Bible: "Neither flesh nor blood will inherit the kingdom of God".
Well, because when we realize that Israel is spiritual, also prophecies about its kingdom should be spiritual, or else we would mix two various natures together.
And it is said in the Bible: "Neither flesh nor blood will inherit the kingdom of God".
According to the book of Revelation they do.
Rev 2:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 2:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Not if Jesus spoke of what will make up the whole of the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matthew 13:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Paul gave more details.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
There are three harvests of believers that makes up the whole of the kingdom of Heaven before Christ gives it back to the Father. Therefore the timing of death and hell and Satan and the judgment for the rest of the dead at the great white throne judgment will take place after the last defeat of Satan from his release from being in the pit for a thousand years.
The 1st harvest; pre trib rapture of O.C. saints with N.C. saints that are abiding in Him as His disciples as the firstfruits.
The 2nd harvest; those saints found in iniquity and left behind with new believers coming out of the great tribulation as they that be Christ's at His coming.
The 3rd harvest which comes the end; those who remain loyal to the Lord after Satan's last rebellion.
These 3 harvests makes up the whole of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus spoke of it; Paul laid it out; and so in effect, what Jesus has prophesied is still in effect.
That is why He said...
John 20:[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Those generations coming out of the millennium reign have seen Christ as King of kings. Those that are Christ's at His coming in coming out of the great tribulation will see the King of kings and be restored to the flock by hearing His voice. Both of the latter 2 harvests can never have the firstfruits of the resurrection inheritance where they would have been like the angels that never die and not given in marriage, and that is why they are blessed for not having seen Him and yet believed as they were abiding in Him as His disciples by trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him home.
So it is not purposeless when it is all about what makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven as Jesus has said.
So there is a millenium reign where the wolf will lie down with the lamb and the lion shall eat hay like the ox, and a little child shall lead them during His reign on earth for a thousand years. There will be no longer any sea during this reign as I would imagine the need for land by the end of His millenium reign that the Lord will provide for every one where there will be no lack.
The point of the millenium reign? Since some will fall away and side with the devil, it shows that even if we were living in a perfect world, sinners can still be tempted to sin against the Lord.... big time. Goes to show the depths of sinful man, and why no one for the rest of eternity will ever wonder what is outside God nor outside the will of God; nothing good.
Matthew 13:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Paul gave more details.
1 Corinthians 15:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.[SUP] 23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.[SUP] 24 [/SUP]Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.[SUP] 25 [/SUP]For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
There are three harvests of believers that makes up the whole of the kingdom of Heaven before Christ gives it back to the Father. Therefore the timing of death and hell and Satan and the judgment for the rest of the dead at the great white throne judgment will take place after the last defeat of Satan from his release from being in the pit for a thousand years.
The 1st harvest; pre trib rapture of O.C. saints with N.C. saints that are abiding in Him as His disciples as the firstfruits.
The 2nd harvest; those saints found in iniquity and left behind with new believers coming out of the great tribulation as they that be Christ's at His coming.
The 3rd harvest which comes the end; those who remain loyal to the Lord after Satan's last rebellion.
These 3 harvests makes up the whole of the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus spoke of it; Paul laid it out; and so in effect, what Jesus has prophesied is still in effect.
That is why He said...
John 20:[SUP]29 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Those generations coming out of the millennium reign have seen Christ as King of kings. Those that are Christ's at His coming in coming out of the great tribulation will see the King of kings and be restored to the flock by hearing His voice. Both of the latter 2 harvests can never have the firstfruits of the resurrection inheritance where they would have been like the angels that never die and not given in marriage, and that is why they are blessed for not having seen Him and yet believed as they were abiding in Him as His disciples by trusting Him as their Good Shepherd to help them to follow Him home.
So it is not purposeless when it is all about what makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven as Jesus has said.
So there is a millenium reign where the wolf will lie down with the lamb and the lion shall eat hay like the ox, and a little child shall lead them during His reign on earth for a thousand years. There will be no longer any sea during this reign as I would imagine the need for land by the end of His millenium reign that the Lord will provide for every one where there will be no lack.
The point of the millenium reign? Since some will fall away and side with the devil, it shows that even if we were living in a perfect world, sinners can still be tempted to sin against the Lord.... big time. Goes to show the depths of sinful man, and why no one for the rest of eternity will ever wonder what is outside God nor outside the will of God; nothing good.
i see what ur saying. ur saying that no one can inherit the kingdom of God in the flesh. as u quoted the verse
matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
so this kingdom which we usually interpret as Jesus second coming judgment of nations to let them into the millennium kindgom to populate it and reproduce u are saying no one can inherit in the flesh.
this is actually probably one of the best points. this is the kind of stufff i was asking in my thread. some biblical reasons. thanks trofimus
i gotta think about that
matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
so this kingdom which we usually interpret as Jesus second coming judgment of nations to let them into the millennium kindgom to populate it and reproduce u are saying no one can inherit in the flesh.
this is actually probably one of the best points. this is the kind of stufff i was asking in my thread. some biblical reasons. thanks trofimus
i gotta think about that
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so if we have to be spirit to enter the physical kingdom. Then who is it that Jesus is ruling? Who is he punishing for not coming to Jerusalem to worship him. Why does he need an iron rod to rule, since everyone in it (spiritual kingdom) will be unable to sin.
I guess my point is we have to always ask questions, and always come up with answers which agree with the whole council of God. Not just one verse.
Wish you well in your thoughts.. Took me quite a few years of deep study to finally make me secure in my faith if what I think is what (I even had to let go of a lot of things I was taught growing up)
I guess my point is we have to always ask questions, and always come up with answers which agree with the whole council of God. Not just one verse.
Wish you well in your thoughts.. Took me quite a few years of deep study to finally make me secure in my faith if what I think is what (I even had to let go of a lot of things I was taught growing up)
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I get it, I am the same, even though we disagree on two major doctrines. I know he is my brother.
Always keep an open mind though bro. We should always be teachable, As I said, I had to come to grips men I trusted growing up led me wrong. It is not easy.
They actually have a lot of verses that they could use, it is the translation of those verses that causes our differences, and why we should never attack each other over these things.
I do not think it is totally blind thinking.
Always keep an open mind though bro. We should always be teachable, As I said, I had to come to grips men I trusted growing up led me wrong. It is not easy.
They actually have a lot of verses that they could use, it is the translation of those verses that causes our differences, and why we should never attack each other over these things.
I do not think it is totally blind thinking.
Hello Snoozy,
Good day Snoozy! Here is the verse in question:
"I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
What the verse is saying is that, this current body of ours made of flesh and blood with its sinful nature which ages, dies and decays cannot inherit the kingdom of God which is eternal. After Paul says the above, he then continues with the following:
"Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality."
Therefore when the resurrection of the dead takes place, then the bodies of those still living in Christ will be transformed into their immortal and glorified bodies, which will be tangible bodies of flesh and bone, like the Lord's, but eternal and with heavenly characteristics and abilities. Regarding our bodies to come, consider what Jesus said:
"As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Jesus resurrected in the same body that he was buried in, but was it was raised an immortal and glorified body, which as he said was a body made of flesh and bone.
When the Lord comes to gather his church, our bodies will also be changed with the qualities of being immortal and glorified. Regarding this Paul also writes the following:
"What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body."
What we were born with decays, what is raised will not decay. This body was born having the sinful nature; it will be raised in a glorified state (no sinful nature, heavenly blessedness of the soul). It is sown a natural body, one that ages, dies and decays; it is raised a spiritual body, one that will be of flesh and bone like the Lord's, but with eternal and with heavenly qualities.
Now, you may be taking notice of the part of the verse which says "it is raised a spiritual body," but that does not mean invisible or intangible. Using the Lord's resurrection as an example, he was raised in a spiritual body, which as he stated in the verse above was of flesh and bone. As an example of that, he was able to appear behind the locked doors where the apostles where gathered together. Consider the angels, they are referred to as spirit beings, yet they can take on corporeal form. We will have tangible bodies with heavenly/spiritual abilities.
Our bodies, which will also be flesh and bone like the Lords, will take on those spiritual/heavenly characteristics being raised and having power.
I hope that this is beneficial to you
Good day Snoozy! Here is the verse in question:
"I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."
What the verse is saying is that, this current body of ours made of flesh and blood with its sinful nature which ages, dies and decays cannot inherit the kingdom of God which is eternal. After Paul says the above, he then continues with the following:
"Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality."
Therefore when the resurrection of the dead takes place, then the bodies of those still living in Christ will be transformed into their immortal and glorified bodies, which will be tangible bodies of flesh and bone, like the Lord's, but eternal and with heavenly characteristics and abilities. Regarding our bodies to come, consider what Jesus said:
"As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.”
Jesus resurrected in the same body that he was buried in, but was it was raised an immortal and glorified body, which as he said was a body made of flesh and bone.
When the Lord comes to gather his church, our bodies will also be changed with the qualities of being immortal and glorified. Regarding this Paul also writes the following:
"What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body."
What we were born with decays, what is raised will not decay. This body was born having the sinful nature; it will be raised in a glorified state (no sinful nature, heavenly blessedness of the soul). It is sown a natural body, one that ages, dies and decays; it is raised a spiritual body, one that will be of flesh and bone like the Lord's, but with eternal and with heavenly qualities.
Now, you may be taking notice of the part of the verse which says "it is raised a spiritual body," but that does not mean invisible or intangible. Using the Lord's resurrection as an example, he was raised in a spiritual body, which as he stated in the verse above was of flesh and bone. As an example of that, he was able to appear behind the locked doors where the apostles where gathered together. Consider the angels, they are referred to as spirit beings, yet they can take on corporeal form. We will have tangible bodies with heavenly/spiritual abilities.
Our bodies, which will also be flesh and bone like the Lords, will take on those spiritual/heavenly characteristics being raised and having power.
I hope that this is beneficial to you
Jesus said the KOG is within us, and with keeping in that context, I think Paul was telling us that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God only the spirit of a man can. The spirit of a man was raised already into newness of life as Romans 6 says, our flesh and mind not so much.
This is why those that commit the works of the flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because light cannot fellowship with darkness.
This is why those that commit the works of the flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, because light cannot fellowship with darkness.
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Yet Jesus rose in the same body that he was crucified in, one of flesh and bone, as I pointed out. it may help to understand that the word "anastasis" translated as "resurrection" is defined as "to stand up again physically in the same body."
When the resurrection takes, all those who died in Christ will rise (their bodies). Those bodies will be raised immortal and glorified. As I pointed out, when the disciples thought that they had seen a spirit, Jesus comforts them saying "a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have." Therefore, when we are changed, we too will have bodies of flesh and bone, but with spiritual/heavenly qualities. We are not going to be invisible spirit beings, but will have tangible bodies with heavenly abilities.
Also and as I stated earlier with scripture, we cannot inherit the kingdom of God in these bodies because of the sinful nature and because we age, die and decay. Therefore in order to inherit the kingdom of God, this body that was born in a body that decays must be changed into a body that does not decay and this body that was born into the sinful nature must be changed into a glorified body.
We can't inherit the kingdom of God in these current bodies which have the sinful nature, age, die and decay. This is what Paul is saying.
When the resurrection takes, all those who died in Christ will rise (their bodies). Those bodies will be raised immortal and glorified. As I pointed out, when the disciples thought that they had seen a spirit, Jesus comforts them saying "a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have." Therefore, when we are changed, we too will have bodies of flesh and bone, but with spiritual/heavenly qualities. We are not going to be invisible spirit beings, but will have tangible bodies with heavenly abilities.
Also and as I stated earlier with scripture, we cannot inherit the kingdom of God in these bodies because of the sinful nature and because we age, die and decay. Therefore in order to inherit the kingdom of God, this body that was born in a body that decays must be changed into a body that does not decay and this body that was born into the sinful nature must be changed into a glorified body.
We can't inherit the kingdom of God in these current bodies which have the sinful nature, age, die and decay. This is what Paul is saying.
Not all Israel is the born again Israel. He named His new people Christians in the book of a Acts. Either name works out in the end as his one bride. Christian which means residents of the city of Christ the new Jerusalem His wife, or Israel a word that means God prevails.
If any man of any nation to include the jewish nation has not the Spirit of Christ they simply do not belong to Christ.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The time of reformation came over two thousand years ago. The shadows became substance. The promise was to come once in the flesh for one demonstration. The demonstration is over, the veil is rent , we walk by faith .
All Israel are not born again Christian the new name he once called Israel. God is no respecter of nations . He is the father of many coming from one seed the spiritual seed Christ.(the good seed are the children of the kingdom); Not seeds as tares of Abraham, many in respect to the flesh.(the children of the wicked one);.
Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Thousands years represents is a unknown number used in that parable .There will be no earthly reign of Christ in the flesh. The one time demonstration is over the reformation has come.
God is not a man as us he remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Thousands years represents is a unknown number used in that parable .There will be no earthly reign of Christ in the flesh. The one time demonstration is over the reformation has come.
God is not a man as us he remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
Yes the one time promised demonstration in corruptible flesh typified as sinful ,condemned sin in the flesh:as he poured out His Spirit not seen .We know God is not a man as us. We know no more forever more after the things seen.
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
The veil is rent.Those who look for him to come again in the flesh are described as antichrists (many)
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
We are in the last days described as a thousand years . The words thousand years found in that parable is used to describe a unknown time period .In that way one day is like a thousand years .
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
The veil is rent.Those who look for him to come again in the flesh are described as antichrists (many)
1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
We are in the last days described as a thousand years . The words thousand years found in that parable is used to describe a unknown time period .In that way one day is like a thousand years .
Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Ecclesiastes 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?
Christ is the apple of God's eye. Everything about Israel points to Christ, the name, the law, the temple etc. The bible is about God's plan of redemption, not is about God having favorites and resurrecting a physical nation Israel..
I really have pity on those Chirstians who can't see themselves as the children of Abraham, recipients of the Promises made to Christ and belonging to the whole Israel of God.
I really have pity on those Chirstians who can't see themselves as the children of Abraham, recipients of the Promises made to Christ and belonging to the whole Israel of God.