College rapist released from jail this morning

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It's a natural instinct to pull out pepper spray or a concealed weapon for protection. A hard kick could easily just be as much an instinct as the others, and possibly quicker.
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It may be a natural reflexive action for some, but I do not carry conceal weapons or bear spray or pepper spray or any other such thing... when I was young and stupid I used to hitch hike all the time and some people were worried about my safety, whereas me, being stupid, I thought I could just defend myself if anyone made a move against me, not even realizing that a true predator could have me unconscious or overpower me if he wanted to before I had a real chance to respond in any effectively self defensive manner :p Thinking such predators only go after nice looking or young women is false also, since they prey on anyone who is vulnerable, and even eighty year old women get raped.
 
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It's proven that people naturally sympathize more with people they can relate to. This judge went to the same school, is white, etc... Do you think these variables had anything to do with relateability or would a black man who didn't swim for a college have gotten the same lenient sentence?
 
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No. Rape is a crime where a man gets an opportunity to ejaculate using a woman. What your talking about is a reoccurring theme on law and order svu. I'm sure there has been nutty guys who were serial rapist who were motivated by hate, power, and control, but I doubt you could find more than a dozen throughout history.
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I would have to disagree very strongly with you on that. Just because sex is involved, doesn't alter the underlying dominance issue.
 
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They don't care who they hurt as long as they get what they want.
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Too much truth in this. One of the primary objectives we taught was learning empathy. It honestly is lacking in the majority of cases.
 
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I think it can be compared to a deer caught in the headlights, you cant think at all.
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That emotional advantage is expected and exploited. One good reason those classes where you get to physically practice this stuff is very beneficial. You do need to get used to and comfortable with using that defense, and let it become kind of second-nature to you.
 
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I would have to disagree very strongly with you on that. Just because sex is involved, doesn't alter the underlying dominance issue.
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I disagree strongly to that. Rape is mostly a crime of opportunity. The whole thing about power or dominance is a narrative pushed by feminist in the 80s. Rape is an opportunity to have some sort of sexual experience just like robbery is an opportunity to get money. I've had several guys confess to me and when asked why, they say it was about getting off.
 
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Dr. Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa (in Canada) has an interesting perspective on the case and why it turned out the way it did:

https://youtu.be/JN7_pqgK8V0
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I just watched this video and then read up on the case. I can only say 'WOW' I had heard of this case, but never followed it. He was never convicted of rape. The rape charges were withdrawn before trial due to a lack of evidence. He was convicted of sexual battery for putting a finger in her, but not a whole lot of evidence as to consent or not. He was as drunk as she was. He claims they left the party together holding hands and she doesn't remember anything. I don't know alot about California jurisprudence in these cases, but if it happened here there probably wouldn't be much to bring this case beyond a reasonable doubt. Not remembering and being unconscious is two different things. He says she was awake and she says she doesn't remember. The probation office that did the presentence report recomended moderate time in a county jail. The judge may have gotten this right, But I didn't witness it.
 
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Tommy379 said:
I disagree strongly to that. Rape is mostly a crime of opportunity. The whole thing about power or dominance is a narrative pushed by feminist in the 80s. Rape is an opportunity to have some sort of sexual experience just like robbery is an opportunity to get money. I've had several guys confess to me and when asked why, they say it was about getting off.
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Part of the "getting off" experience is in overpowering the other. Lots of people
succumb to the opportunity to have intercourse without resorting to rape.
 
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I disagree strongly to that. Rape is mostly a crime of opportunity. The whole thing about power or dominance is a narrative pushed by feminist in the 80s. Rape is an opportunity to have some sort of sexual experience just like robbery is an opportunity to get money. I've had several guys confess to me and when asked why, they say it was about getting off.
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Even robbery is rarely just "an opportunity to get some money."

Robberies are planned by people who feel they have a right to what someone else has worked for. And they set out to get it. The thieves carefully work things out. They case stores or areas of travel for some time. They know what they are looking for. They make it a point to get a gun. To hide their identity. They approach the target when no one is around. They know where the money is. They have an escape route planned.

They do not just happen to walk past a liquor store, and suddenly get an bodily urge to see if there might be some money lying around.

Men who go out to rape do exactly the same thing. They are not simply on their way to Home Depot, and just decide to stop off for some quick sex because they see a woman.

Why do you think they are referred to as "predators?"
 
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Even robbery is rarely just "an opportunity to get some money."

Robberies are planned by people who feel they have a right to what someone else has worked for. And they set out to get it. The thieves carefully work things out. They case stores or areas of travel for some time. They know what they are looking for. They make it a point to get a gun. To hide their identity. They approach the target when no one is around. They know where the money is. They have an escape route planned.

They do not just happen to walk past a liquor store, and suddenly get an bodily urge to see if there might be some money lying around.

Men who go out to rape do exactly the same thing. They are not simply on their way to Home Depot, and just decide to stop off for some quick sex because they see a woman.

Why do you think they are referred to as "predators?"
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They are called predators because it sells newspapers.
 
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It's sensational. It sells papers and pays Nancy Grace's bills. Stranger rape is as rare as a little pink elephant, just like stranger danger kidnapping, but when it happens it makes the most news. Most women are raped by someone they know. These guys go out with girls or meet them at parties, they think they will get laid, then the girl declines and it goes down hill from there.
 
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Oh yeah big planning for a robbery may happen in "the town' but around here these guys don't put any thought in it.
 
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Voldemort said:
It's proven that people naturally sympathize more with people they can relate to. This judge went to the same school, is white, etc... Do you think these variables had anything to do with relateability or would a black man who didn't swim for a college have gotten the same lenient sentence?
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I believe it would be highly unlikely that a black man would have gotten this sort of slap on the wrist. You are correct in that people are softer on others they can see themselves in. It's a judicial inequality that many people refuse to admit exists.

Black, white, purple... this "punishment" does not fit the crime. He got Hillary Clinton treatment. Why is there not judicial consistency?
 
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Tommy379 said:
I disagree strongly to that. Rape is mostly a crime of opportunity. The whole thing about power or dominance is a narrative pushed by feminist in the 80s. Rape is an opportunity to have some sort of sexual experience just like robbery is an opportunity to get money. I've had several guys confess to me and when asked why, they say it was about getting off.
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I don't discredit the sexual desire aspect of rape, but I don't think that is the primary factor for rape. The primary factors for rape are control and power as Willie, Jenny, Voldemort, and most criminal psychologists have stated.

It's sort of like adultery. Not that the instant gratification isn't a factor, but more often than not, marital infidelity is about variables other than "not keeping it in one's pants". It could be marital problems, mental compulsion, etc...
 
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I was under the impression that he didn't actually rape her using his...organ. I believe they said he used a finger. While, that's still really messed up, maybe that's why he didn't get such a hard sentence?
 
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I was under the impression that he didn't actually rape her using his...organ. I believe they said he used a finger. While, that's still really messed up, maybe that's why he didn't get such a hard sentence?
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He used an object too. Be it finger, an object, or an organ, a few months in jail doesn't fit the crime.
 
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MollyConnor said:
I was under the impression that he didn't actually rape her using his...organ. I believe they said he used a finger. While, that's still really messed up, maybe that's why he didn't get such a hard sentence?
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His method of penetration doesn't matter. Whether he used his wanker, his finger, or a spoon, makes no difference. It still penetrated her..
 
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Tommy379 said:
It's sensational. It sells papers and pays Nancy Grace's bills. Stranger rape is as rare as a little pink elephant, just like stranger danger kidnapping, but when it happens it makes the most news. Most women are raped by someone they know. These guys go out with girls or meet them at parties, they think they will get laid, then the girl declines and it goes down hill from there.
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There's some truth to this in that most kidnappings are by individuals that know the child in some form or another.
 
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I was under the impression that he didn't actually rape her using his...organ. I believe they said he used a finger. While, that's still really messed up, maybe that's why he didn't get such a hard sentence?
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It's because the judge has Stanford ties. That's what it ultimately comes down to. He's protecting one of his own. This isn't a race issue, as some would like to try to think.
 
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This guys sounds like a future Bill Clinton or Bill Cosby .... :(
 
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