Judged depends on which degree of judgement is being referenced. We are not to judge to condemnation, however we are to use right judgment and never judge simply by appearances. If we do not judge for ourselves what is right, another judgment, we are considered hypocrites by the Lord. In this age we are not given the right to judge unto condemnation, so, we who believe never practice this lest we be judged by that judgment pronounced, but we must judge for ourselves what is right, what is correct. This is a direct order from our Master, Yeshua.
Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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Only God, Jesus, knows the heart, yet some who make up the Body of Jesus in this age do possess certain gifts of discenment and even of knowledge of affairs never spoken or given to them by any other than the Holy Spirit. Jesus, Yeshua, did not leave us without help. Only unbelievers believe He did. This is not judging, it is just ascertaining the truth from experience and study of the Word of Yahweh, God. Now, before we are given some kind of warning from below, we are going off OP...
It looks like Zone has already unsubscribed from this thread, but here are a couple of clarifications on some of her comments for all of us.
A shofar was used for many different reasons, not just judgement:
When God gave the Torah
To announce Sabbaths and Feasts
To call Israel together
To tell Israel to move
To send Israel to war
As a sign of worship
By doing a quick study on all of the Scriptures that involve a shofar, or a trumpet, there are dozens of different reasons a shofar was used.
Matthew 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Remember, we need to make the distinction between any man-mad Jewish tradition and what the Torah says. If it's in the Torah, Jesus says we should keep it and teach it. Paul would agree with this. Man-made traditions are a different story. Personally, I only concern myself with what is Scriptural.
A shofar was used for many different reasons, not just judgement:
When God gave the Torah
To announce Sabbaths and Feasts
To call Israel together
To tell Israel to move
To send Israel to war
As a sign of worship
By doing a quick study on all of the Scriptures that involve a shofar, or a trumpet, there are dozens of different reasons a shofar was used.
Matthew 5:19 "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Remember, we need to make the distinction between any man-mad Jewish tradition and what the Torah says. If it's in the Torah, Jesus says we should keep it and teach it. Paul would agree with this. Man-made traditions are a different story. Personally, I only concern myself with what is Scriptural.
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I would if I knew who I was. I don't want to offend God by choosing the incorrect Hebrew translation of my English name. I'm so mad at my parents right now for causing me this dilemma
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Just-me, this is so profound. When I see the picture of the fella blowing the shofar, what I see is that Christ came. I see a religion practiced for thousands of years, where every tiny factor involved that was carried out to truly honor God (I'm not talking about empty worship where the people didn't believe in what they were doing, I'm talking about the one's that did believe, and looked forward to the coming of Christ) was like totally fulfilled by Christ's coming! I see a complete picture! Hence, I love it! Yes, and it does make me want to experience those rituals, because in my mind, I would be doing them in reverence, knowing they had been fulfilled perfectly.
People that do this aren't just doing it because that make them feel better than others! They do this to glorify God. They do this to review in their minds and hearts how God prepared the way for Christ's coming in the hearts of the Jews through these rituals. Now, to those that rejected it, this obviously doesn't include them. I'm talking about those who performed those rituals with full hearts for God combined with those that recognize Christ and realized the fulfillment of that promise.
Yeah, I agree. These Jews come to Christ and we do our best to stomp them too death for their style of worship. This thread has also convinced me how evil that kind of thinking is.
People that do this aren't just doing it because that make them feel better than others! They do this to glorify God. They do this to review in their minds and hearts how God prepared the way for Christ's coming in the hearts of the Jews through these rituals. Now, to those that rejected it, this obviously doesn't include them. I'm talking about those who performed those rituals with full hearts for God combined with those that recognize Christ and realized the fulfillment of that promise.
Yeah, I agree. These Jews come to Christ and we do our best to stomp them too death for their style of worship. This thread has also convinced me how evil that kind of thinking is.
I really have no intention of joining any religious organization. I just wanted to see where the caring was, and find out more about this movement. I really was born Wesleyan Methodist and married a Lutheran. I am searching for those that love Christ without the warm fuzzies, and cold pricklies, i.e. all those that are truly sincere, knowing that no one is perfect. The Bible says to trust no man, and I don’t. There is a ditch on either side of the straight path leading to the narrow gate. One ditch is legalism and the other is liberalism. The liberalistic ditch turns one over to self-justification without education. The legalism ditch turns one over to self-justification by a form and a fashion, which has no faith at all really. We were accused of being in the Hebrew Roots Movement simply because we wanted to understand what is written in the Bible, including the Mosaic law. I endured condemnation from others in cc before they knew the truth about our quest. THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME FALL FROM GRACE JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW!!!
We have been through more than our share of conflicts and sorrow because of religion. I have found who is and who isn't manifesting the fruit of the Spirit. The Bible says that if you find that I have a fault that there is a way to convince me if I am a sincere person.
Galatians 6:1-8 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For every man shall bear his own burden.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Now, if you really want to know what kind of people we are, our website is It's Not My Battle!
We have been through more than our share of conflicts and sorrow because of religion. I have found who is and who isn't manifesting the fruit of the Spirit. The Bible says that if you find that I have a fault that there is a way to convince me if I am a sincere person.
Galatians 6:1-8 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For every man shall bear his own burden.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Now, if you really want to know what kind of people we are, our website is It's Not My Battle!
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Not sure what you mean by this. This in no way contradicts what I claimed.
We are united under Christ. It is finishes.
Yes Jews are blinded in part. But many have come to Christ just as we have. And are united with us. When Israel repents, They will be united with us too. There is no ongoing salvic covenant, Everyone is saved the same.
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Again, This does not contradict one iota what I claimed. Unless your dual covenant, In which case. Your claiming Christ death was not the end of salvation for ALL who believe. In which you are believing in more than one gospel. In which you are in danger.
All those passages speak of Isreal repenting, Not getting saved under some other covenant, They repent and recieve Christ as we did. Thats ALL
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And the primary tactic of a contestor is to see an evil conspiracy behind any comment they don't agree with. The man states what he believes he's discovered, and you accuse him of asking his original question with only the intention of pushing an evil cult on the Christian world. I'm continually amazed in here by all these so-called Christians. Let's remember the accuser is Satan, how bout?
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1. It has happened in the non jewish Church also. It is not just a jewish thing.
2. People in this thread are saying the continual ongoing and growing hebrew routs movement (which for the most part are trying to return to the law and sacrifices, and rebuild the temple) are a cult. And I would agree.
Jew coming into the church are not a cult. I have many jews in my church. and we happen to do alot of OT teaching..
However, you did not respond to what I said, do you disagree with it?
I contradict your explanations and thoughts in no way. Most of what I posted was for the sake of Zone, since she was trying to find out what religion I was and where my convictions lie. Thank you. I believe all of the Bible, and I believe what makes sense. I just can't understand why some say they believe in things that make no sense. I think there are many things that we cannot understand, but then one has to kick in the faith. Making sense of Spiritual things is something that we all strive to do. When we understand then, in common sense terms, we praise God for His enlightenment. Without searching the scripture, (superfluous to you and others) how can we ever grow in the faith and grace that is offered to us through Christ Jesus. Yeshua the true Messiah!
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This shows you aren't understanding what's being said. The sacrificial laws have been fulfilled and they are not longer practiced. The others are simply practiced as a reminder of what those rituals meant, why they were practiced, which were all about the coming of Jesus Christ, Yeshua Hamashiach, or whatever you feel led to call HIM, which these Jews have recognized and rejoicing over by repeating these rituals with a full understanding of their meaning now. Isn't that a good thing? Reading through this thread, for some reason, I keep forgetting that.
Jews coming into your church is fine, huh? They can't create their own way of doing things. Maybe they want to be like us modern Christians with at least 2,000 separate denominations all over this world.
Jews coming into your church is fine, huh? They can't create their own way of doing things. Maybe they want to be like us modern Christians with at least 2,000 separate denominations all over this world.
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I suppose when anyone looks into the Mosaic Law, to understand the spiritual meaning of it all, they automatically become anti-Christ to some proclaiming Christians. how in the world can anyone appreciate the dynamics of our Savior without exploring the detailed spiritual idiosyncrasies of the Levitical/Mosaic law? By denying the Levitical Law, given to us by Moses, and throwing it to the wind, how would we know the shedding of blood is a necessity for the forgiveness of sins to receive the grace of God through salvation? I agree with you, sis, wholeheartedly.