BLESSED ARE THE PERSECUTED

[SarahM777]

Here are two replies responding directly to your off-the-op questions below.

Perhaps if you think in terms of the sources of answers by the opposing forces, it may help you.

Of course a person in Yeshua will be offended when someone answers from the abyss of his own mind with no regard for what Jesus teaches on a given subject. I am offended by people speaking out of darkness. Light has nothing to do with it.

Of course a person who does not truly know the Messiah will be offended by any response to questions on any given subject if the light hurts their eyes, and it is offensive to them. Darkness has nothing to do with the light.

All who are capable of not being offended by the truth, on the contrary, rejoice in receiveing it are drawn by the Father to Yeshua.

Now, if you are not satisfied, you may post your own thread, though I cannot suggest what subject you could possibly use.

Sorry,

But you still have not answered the questions. You still keep skirting the issue of whether or not he did the very same thing. By doing the very same thing is he not also a persecuter? Which is at the heart of the matter.

And again it is NOT off topic. Is he or is he not doing the exact same thing he has claimed others have done and does that not also make him a persecuter?

 

[SarahM777]

Are we not told to do this?

Romans 12

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

Proverbs 12

Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.

Proverbs 17

Whoever would foster love covers over an offense, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.

1 Peter 4

8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins

1 Corinthians 13

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Matthew 5

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Luke 6

27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Do you think maybe the Lord is trying to tell us something or did He put this there for His health?

 

[JaumeJ]

This is exactly what the person posting would like others to read, to learn and to practice. Now you have captured the spirit of the thread.

By the way, I have my text augmented for my vision necessities already. Your post is rather large, even for me.

Are we not told to do this?

Romans 12

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn.

17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

Proverbs 12

Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.

Proverbs 17

Whoever would foster love covers over an offense, but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.

1 Peter 4

8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins

1 Corinthians 13

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Matthew 5

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Luke 6

27 “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Do you think maybe the Lord is trying to tell us something or did He put this there for His health?

 

[SarahM777]

This is exactly what the person posting would like others to read, to learn and to practice. Now you have captured the spirit of the thread.

By the way, I have my text augmented for my vision necessities already. Your post is rather large, even for me.

Again it goes to both sides and you continue to leave that out. It's not just one side that does it. A number of your groupies only see that it's coming from one side but many refuse to see it coming from their side other and that is one of my points.

Sorry about the font but there are things in those verses that need to be stated very strongly.

 

[IDEAtor]

Suffering as a ministry unto the Lord does not garner a lot of volunteers. If you live long enough you will learn to suffer ever so much in the physical sense. If you witness for the Lord to the unsaved you will taste the bitterness of rejection. Yet unless you drink of that cup you cannot taste of the goodness of the Lord.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Are you a pastor? Your words speak volumes into my life. Thanks for being used of God in another way, for another person..
Even if you are not a pastor, I thank you for your words.

 

[SarahM777]

Stephen,

Just a reminder of what you also are so fond to tell us,you shall know them by their fruits.

 

[zone]

can i get a summary on the CC martyrs?
(i might write book)

 

[JaumeJ]

People who name Yeshua as their Savior and God will experience tribulation and persecution. Do a study of the Word and see just how many times the Lord warns us of suffering for His name's sake and for the Gospel. Also study persecution. Many of the theologies today have everything neatly tied in a ribbon with a big bow. What I have suffered personally does not mean much compared to what is to come in the Kingdom. I believe all who love Jesus, Yeshua, suffer persecution and tribulations. Now, what I have suffered means nothing to those with no faith. Yahweh bless and preserve all of His saints, the family in Yeshua, amen.

 

[JaumeJ]

The following, pasted excerpt from Psalm 109, describes the hurt and pain suffered by our Savior at the hands of someone claiming to be His friend. Some of the most agonizing pain is when brethren err seriously in understanding and in sharing the Word. It is not quite as bad from false brethren, yet it is still painful.



Psa 109:1
To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. Hold not thy peace, O God of my praise;

Psa 109:2
For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me: they have spoken against me with a lying tongue.

Psa 109:3
They compassed me about also with words of hatred; and fought against me without a cause.

Psa 109:4
For my love they are my adversaries: but I give myself unto prayer.

Psa 109:5
And they have rewarded me evil for good, and hatred for my love.

Psa 109:6
Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

Psa 109:7
When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.

Psa 109:8
Let his days be few; and let another take his office.

Psa 109:9
Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.

Psa 109:10
Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.

Psa 109:11
Let the extortioner catch all that he hath; and let the strangers spoil his labour.

Psa 109:12
Let there be none to extend mercy unto him: neither let there be any to favour his fatherless children.

Psa 109:13
Let his posterity be cut off; and in the generation following let their name be blotted out.

Psa 109:14
Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out.

Psa 109:15
Let them be before the LORD continually, that he may cut off the memory of them from the earth.

Psa 109:16
Because that he remembered not to shew mercy, but persecuted the poor and needy man, that he might even slay the broken in heart.

Psa 109:17
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.

Psa 109:18
As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

Psa 109:19
Let it be unto him as the garment which covereth him, and for a girdle wherewith he is girded continually.

Psa 109:20
Let this be the reward of mine adversaries from the LORD, and of them that speak evil against my soul.

Psa 109:21
But do thou for me, O GOD the Lord, for thy name's sake: because thy mercy is good, deliver thou me.

Psa 109:22
For I am poor and needy, and my heart is wounded within me.

 

[Stephen63]

Oh good grief, I believe in preterism, predestination, mostly-cessation, and people scorn my stances. I don't consider it persecution for Christ. It's just that my strong opinions are disagreed strongly by some.

If someone doesn't agree with your Pentecostal beliefs, and such, it's not persecution for Christ.

Can't folks just come to terms that others disagree with certain strong beliefs strongly? Presence of strong disagreement of some of these schismatic type beliefs isn't persecution.

Anybody on this board could make the same case for "persecution" toward those who strongly disagree with them on schismatic type beliefs.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with beliefs, with exception to the fact that those who believe that way are scorned, mocked, and ridiculed because they won't back down.

This is a misrepresentation of the facts. We are talking about verbal abuse, not religious beliefs. Such abuse is discriminatory, because it picks certain people out of crowd. It is what it is. Don't try to paint a scenario about religious beliefs, because that's not the whole story.


Perhaps you would like to explain the deep doctrinal statement that's made here. This is her first posting regarding my op statement:

i'm sorry that you are unhappy about the reality of false doctrines and unbiblical practices of the Pentecostal Movement being challenged and discussed.

it's sad that you believe you are being persecuted for true doctrine and biblical practices.

and it's odd that you go on as you do.

but oh well.

Pentecostal Theology is just wrong.

you're not a martyr; nor a hero protecting the sheep from satan.

you're deflecting the reality that you teach false doctrine and practice unbiblical things.

These are her first words, straight out of the gate. Nobody said anything to her. She chose to start this little argument, then you take up for her. How are you going to explain that to all the readers who know what they're reading?

Mocking is persecution, no matter how you slice it. So is slander and accusations. Here's a good example of zone's accusing me of writing this thread because of hatred for her, when her name was never mentioned. She accuses me of stirring up division. She accuses me of using drama. And again, you ignored it.

you have no idea what persecution is. that's evident in the whining here as you equate internet debates; arguments and petty insults with persecution - with you being the great suffering saint, being helped by the servant of satan, zone.

Pentecostalism is error, in places heresy - and if there's any lying going on...it's coming from people in that movement pretending they're getting direct messages from God.

and look at you starting threads do stir up divisions and factions - because you can't answer for the DOCTRINE and practices that are DAMAGING untold numbers around the world coming out of Pentecostalism.

you started this thread with your hatred for me in mind, which i already proved.
your apology thread wasn't really an aoplogy - it was en explanation for why ZONE managed to pull you into horrible sin - because you were taking a bullet for the team.

such drama.
do you lay awake and night and burn with resentment?
eh.....enjoy it.

persecution.....poor you.
get on with it!

You have a lot of nerve saying that all she's doing is stating her beliefs! You can sweep it under the rug, but what happens when you trip over the pile?

You are saying in a nutshell that there is no such happenings in this forum. Did you miss this post? Are you going to tell him he's wrong too? Before it's over you will end up having to tell a lot of people that they're wrong. Good luck with that.

I read through continual threads on this site as I'm sure most everyone does. I see the constant snide innuendos that eventually become attacks on the persons beliefs that go far beyond scriptural argumentation. I've repeatedly seen them show scriptures and try to respond in a Christ like fashion. Yet the attackers continue until a person finally responds by saying something like Stephen did? You call that an insult? Jesus called the Pharisees a herd of jackals. However, when He spoke to the Sadducees concerning their belief that there was no resurrection, He simply told them they misunderstood scriptures and explained why.

It's a sad day indeed when the OP has to explain to an administrator the facts when he's attacked on his own thread about persecution.

 

[unclefester]

MOM ! ......... Stephen63 and his friends are pretending they're being persecuted for the cause of Christ again

>>>>>Bump<<<<<

 

[Stephen63]

MOM ! ......... Stephen63 and his friends are pretending they're being persecuted for the cause of Christ again

>>>>>Bump<<<<<

Matthew 5:11 (KJV) [SUP]11[/SUP] Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Luke 6:22 (KJV) [SUP]22[/SUP] Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

Blessed? Really? If Jesus said it, that's good enough for me. But in what way are we blessed?

1 Peter 4:12-17 (KJV)
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

The Scriptures tell us that:

1. It is not an unusual thing for the people of God to be persecuted.
2. If we suffer here as Christ did, we should hereafter be glorified with him.
3. Besides the prospect of that future glory; we have at present the Spirit of God for our support and comfort.
4. That it was an honor for any of us to suffer, not as a criminal, but as a Christian.
5. Though the afflictions began with Christians, yet the weight of judgement would fall upon the unbelievers. From these considerations he exhorted us to persevere in our duty, and trust God with all things.

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

• For instance, if you are persecuted here on CC because you stand on the Word, it is evident that God's spirit is upon you. You are to be happy to suffer for Christ's name.

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

• There's a difference between suffering for being a troublemaker & for Jesus. KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!
• Glorify the Lord when you're being persecuted for Him. Do not draw back, or back up. Hebrews 10:37-38 [SUP]37 [/SUP]For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. [SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

• Why is judgement of the house of God being placed in the middle of the context of suffering persecution? Because God uses persecution to discipline His children.

Hebrews 12:5-8 [SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: [SUP]6 [/SUP]For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? [SUP]8 [/SUP]But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
Every true child of God will be persecuted to discipline them to grow in maturity & faith. Although it looks bad, really it's a blessing!

Have you wondered why some of you are verbally persecuted to no end in the BDF? There's a biblical reason. I know, I had to learn it the hard way. Just like the King of Babylon was sent by God to discipline Israel, There are those here on CC sent to do the same for some of us. Just as no one could beat Nebuchadnezzer while God was using him, you will not beat the ones he sends here, either. YOU ARE TO BE BEATEN BY THEM to humble you, & show you GOD"S WAY. Once we all learn this important lesson, this trial will end. Then God will deal with the persecutors.

As best as I can tell, this persecution started here around 2010. My question is "What did we do to bring this on us?" Did we lose our first love? Did we become a respecter of persons? Did we treat everyone the same? Did we segregate ourselves from other christians?

Matthew 5:43-48
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. [SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? [SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? [SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect (mature, complete), even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Galatians 6:8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. [SUP]10 [/SUP]As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

It is evil to treat those we disagree with contempt & wickedness. Some of us here at CC may not be the best christians, BUT WE'RE STILL HIS!

Matthew 25:41-46
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: [SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: [SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? [SUP]45 [/SUP]Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. [SUP]46 [/SUP]And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Now they can read it all. Thanks for the "bump idea"! We need not forget what this thread is really about!

 

[unclefester]

]Have you wondered why some of you are verbally persecuted to no end in the BDF?[/B] There's a biblical reason. I know, I had to learn it the hard way. Just like the King of Babylon was sent by God to discipline Israel, There are those here on CC sent to do the same for some of us. Just as no one could beat Nebuchadnezzer while God was using him, you will not beat the ones he sends here, either. YOU ARE TO BE BEATEN BY THEM to humble you, & show you GOD"S WAY. Once we all learn this important lesson, this trial will end. Then God will deal with the persecutors.

As best as I can tell, this persecution started here around 2010. My question is "What did we (insert "I" for Stephen) do to bring this on us?" Did we lose our first love? Did we become a respecter of persons? Did we treat everyone the same? Did we segregate ourselves from other christians?

Let's "narrow it down" to what this thread is really about Stephen. Zone, myself and few others here happen to disagree with your pentecostal/charismatic beliefs and practices and believe (know) them to be unbiblical ..... period! And you are struggling to come to terms with it. It's your issue Stephen ..... not mine (ours). One question, if I may. How does one "mature in Christ" if they haven't yet matured as a human adult ?

 

[SarahM777]

Now they can read it all. Thanks for the "bump idea"! We need not forget what this thread is really about!

Thanks Stephen,

Perhaps maybe you will see this and answer.

UMM Stephen,

Do I need to remind you of what you told Angela the other day? Did you not say some would make a Muslim look like a choir boy? In your own words sir.




Did you insult them or not? Yes or no? Is that not the same thing you claimed that Zone was saying to you and Green?
Yes or no? Is that not on the very same level you have been speaking out in here? Yes or no? Remember these are YOUR VERY WORDS.
Does that make you a hypocrite? Yes or no?

The sad part is you as a pastor claim being innocent of doing these things. Yet you turn around do the very same thing.

Jamie,

Are you going to try talking to you're cohorts about doing the very thing? Do you think that you are that innocent that you haven't done the same thing? Or can someone find that you too have done the same thing? Or can someone find that most have used the tit for tat mentality?

Insults are from the Word? That is the point I am making. Do you want someone to go through the posts and point out where your cohorts have done the very same thing? I have seen it from BOTH sides,that is my point. That is the point it's seems you want to ignore. It's OK to imply that some in here are on the same level as Muslims,that if taken far enough it can imply they are terrorists? You don't see anything wrong with that?

You didn't answer the question,nor will you use the same standard. Sorry Jamie,when one claims INNOCENCE when one is doing the very same thing it makes one out to be both a LIAR and a HYPOCRITE. Need I remind you of that? Or do you choose to ignore that? IS COMPARING SOME TO MUSLIMS an insult or not? Yes or No? Is that not doing the very same thing that the OP is railing against? Yes or no? Is the OP truly innocent of not doing the very he claims others are doing?Yes or No?

Your missing the point. You have people claiming INNOCENCE turning around doing the very same thing and then LYING about how INNOCENT they are. Since when is it right? Or did God change His standard? Or is it OK because they are part of "my" group? You avoid answering those questions and it makes me wonder why?

Won't do because this is exactly the type of stuff the OP is addressing. And no you did not answer the questions. You skirted them. And yes I am addressing the OP and he has yet to answer for this because this is EXACTLY the same type of stuff he is complaining about.

But you still have not answered the questions. You still keep skirting the issue of whether or not he did the very same thing. By doing the very same thing is he not also a persecuter? Which is at the heart of the matter.

And again it is NOT off topic. Is he or is he not doing the exact same thing he has claimed others have done and does that not also make him a persecuter?

 

[SarahM777]

Stephen,

Do I once again need to remind you that by your owns words which you love to throw around,you will know them by their fruit. Are you showing by the ROTTEN FRUIT you have on your own tree that you MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A CHRISTIAN?

 

[Graybeard]

Stephen.......yes there are those here that appear to enjoy verbally abusing fellow Christians and there are also those here that appear to enjoy others verbal abuse at others.....but to prop it up in the category of Biblical persecution is a far stretch I would say, we all choose to log on to CC and post and read, far from real world persecution don't you think?...try telling those Christians in Syria the torment and persecution you are being subjected to on the internet, I'm sure the families of those slaughtered because of the name of Jesus will be most sympathetic to you will they not...I don't think so.

Syrian Rebels Massacre Christian Village

 

[Stephen63]

Stephen.......yes there are those here that appear to enjoy verbally abusing fellow Christians and there are also those here that appear to enjoy others verbal abuse at others.....but to prop it up in the category of Biblical persecution is a far stretch I would say, we all choose to log on to CC and post and read, far from real world persecution don't you think?...try telling those Christians in Syria the torment and persecution you are being subjected to on the internet, I'm sure the families of those slaughtered because of the name of Jesus will be most sympathetic to you will they not...I don't think so.

Syrian Rebels Massacre Christian Village

It would indeed seem so, by comparison. It is by no means on that level. And I would never say that it is. Mocking is what it is....... mocking. Remember this Scripture?

2 Kings 2:22-25 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]So the waters were healed unto this day, according to the saying of Elisha which he spake. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. [SUP]25 [/SUP]And he went from thence to mount Carmel, and from thence he returned to Samaria.

Elijah didn't curse them on his own initiative. He did it by the leading of the Holy Spirit. The point is, we see in this Scripture how God feels when His people are mocked. Apparently, God had a problem with those mockers.

I think it would be good for all of us to study the topic of mocking, to see God's view on the subject, and not to take any risks of getting ourselves judged.

 

[zone]

according to the standards set here:

i want to announce that i have been persecuted at CC for standing on the Word of God.

it started sometime around 2010.

i'm okay with it though.

thank you for listening.

zone.


tea time!

 

[SarahM777]

What you're talking about has nothing to do with beliefs, with exception to the fact that those who believe that way are scorned, mocked, and ridiculed because they won't back down.

This is a misrepresentation of the facts. We are talking about verbal abuse, not religious beliefs. Such abuse is discriminatory, because it picks certain people out of crowd. It is what it is. Don't try to paint a scenario about religious beliefs, because that's not the whole story.


Perhaps you would like to explain the deep doctrinal statement that's made here. This is her first posting regarding my op statement:



These are her first words, straight out of the gate. Nobody said anything to her. She chose to start this little argument, then you take up for her. How are you going to explain that to all the readers who know what they're reading?

Mocking is persecution, no matter how you slice it. So is slander and accusations. Here's a good example of zone's accusing me of writing this thread because of hatred for her, when her name was never mentioned. She accuses me of stirring up division. She accuses me of using drama. And again, you ignored it.



You have a lot of nerve saying that all she's doing is stating her beliefs! You can sweep it under the rug, but what happens when you trip over the pile?

You are saying in a nutshell that there is no such happenings in this forum. Did you miss this post? Are you going to tell him he's wrong too? Before it's over you will end up having to tell a lot of people that they're wrong. Good luck with that.



It's a sad day indeed when the OP has to explain to an administrator the facts when he's attacked on his own thread about persecution.

And is this you just stating your beliefs or did you imply that there are those in here are on the same level as Muslims and they may be terrorists? Did you not say this to Angela?

I am not an angry man. But your insinuations that I need professional help I find quite insulting.

I have been married for 29 years & my wife has never seen rage in me.

As far as turning down your friend request, That was because you associate with some on here that would make an Muslim look like a choirboy & post your "likes" on their insults & mockings.

Did you or did you not say this? Are you not doing the same thing? Yes or no? If you are doing the same thing it makes you a liar because you insisted on your innocence on doing this very same thing. It also makes you a hypocrite. It again is rotten fruit which again according to your words you will know them by their fruits. And again are you saying that by your fruits that you very well may not be a Christian?

Or is it a double standard that you are going by?

 

[zone]

one man's experience with MOCKERY:

I have been in the charismatic movement for over twenty years, so I am no stranger to the unusual manifestations associated with pentecostalism/revival movements and attributed to the Holy Spirit. I have seen it all, and done much of it myself! In the late 1980's I began to question many of the extra biblical manifestations I was seeing and promoting. Up until that time, even as a Pastor, I had often believed whatever someone else said about the scriptures or their experience was true without checking to see what the Bible said for myself. Like most Christians, I assumed if a televangelist said it or did it, it must be God! And yet I always had an uneasy feeling about the things I would see, even in my own ministry. And in services (especially Minister's meetings), I always felt great pressure to perform (dance, run, fall down, etc.) for fear of being thought of as unspiritual if I didn't have the same experiences or do the same things as everybody else. Thank God, He has delivered me (and continues to deliver me) from what people (even other ministers) think......

....And so the purpose of this article is to search for the truth concerning the unusual manifestations of pentecostalism/revival movements and attributed to the Holy Spirit, examining them in the light of the word of God....

Manifestations




let's get serious about who is mocking Whom.
or not.