atheists

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If atheists don't believe in God, then why do they get mad at Him?
If atheists don't think He is real, then why do they blame him for everything?
If people can't tolerate other religious views other than their own, why do they hold to a position thats high in their own belief?
If people originated with or from monkeys, why then isn't it fully proven to be not a theory?
Why do they call it a theory, but still teach it through books and school?
I don't understand???????

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The saved person wrestles against these spiritual forces, but they are there affecting
the unsaved too. From birth, these demonic forces are at work, and they are influencing
from birth, so by the time people are grown, they can not distinguish the wickedness from their
own thoughts. People are affected through the spiritual. You can not reason God to someone.
You can not use logic. It requires the Holy Spirit to pry the forces loose so an inidividual
can see the truth about him/herself.

 

[SweetSavour]

what makes me sick also is how they took God out of school because "you shouldnt force God on people", then turn around and shove the exact thing that opposes Gods existence in school... seems extremely contradicting to me. if you take God out of school, then its only right to keep evolution from school as well. that also has something to do with the increased amount of atheists in society. catch them young.

no question that its satans world.

Sure, let's take out biology, chemistry, physics, and astronomy too! We can replace those with
alchemy, astrology, and creationism.

It's funny how everyone uses the products of science everyday of their lives and they have
no problem with any other branch of science except for the one that explains our origins.
Interesting huh?

 

[Cycel]

reading comprehension is currently an issue or you are blatantly ignoring what i said and said many times.

darwin is merely a man, like you or me.

I gave you a response to this line of thinking in a previous post. Perhaps you missed it. Dr Edward Jenner, the father of immunology, stopped small pox in its tracks. He saved millions of lives. He was just a man, but his theory proved correct. Albert Einstein, you've heard of him, has had his theory proved correct on a number of levels. Imperfect, I said it before -- the fact the Darwin was a man is not an argument against evolution. Once again, that fact that Darwin is a man is not an argument against evolution. You want to prove evolution wrong you have to go after the evidence that underpins it. That is the only way.

 

[SweetSavour]

im still waiting on the explanation on why they only have 5-6 skulls during the evolution process from ape to man... how can they only have 5-6.. so those 5-6 are "stages"... so where are the other skulls in the mean time and in between time? did they just evaporate? disappear?

i mean, if a ape evolved from ape to man like a baby grows from baby to adult, then logically, there should be many more skulls than just the 5-6 that they have, right? right.

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where did you get the number 5-6 from? That's an outright lie.

And you do know that not everything that dies fossilizes right?
The skeleton has to be buried under certain conditions that allow
preservation.
fossil: The Formation of Fossils | Infoplease.com

Plus, people have to actually go out and dig in the right place to
find these fossils. It's not easy!

 

[MaranathaSoonQuick]

Christians

 

[Cycel]

Sure, let's take out biology, chemistry, physics, and astronomy too! We can replace those with
alchemy, astrology, and creationism.

It's funny how everyone uses the products of science everyday of their lives and they have
no problem with any other branch of science except for the one that explains our origins.
Interesting huh?

Yes, indeed. Sweet Savour nice to chat with you. I think they have problems with most of the sciences, they just don't talk about it. Anything that doesn't line-up with Genesis is rejected.

You are an atheist I presume?

 

[SweetSavour]

Yes, indeed. Sweet Savour nice to chat with you. I think they have problems with most of the sciences, they just don't talk about it. Anything that doesn't line-up with Genesis is rejected.

You are an atheist I presume?

We're all born atheists. Religion is taught to us.

 

[Cycel]

Christians

Well, should that have had an exclamation point after it?

Hello.

 

[Cycel]

We're all born atheists. Religion is taught to us.

Ah, I've had this discussion on an atheist forum. Personally I don't think children are born atheists -- well, technically perhaps they are, but we wouldn't consider chimps atheists would we? Up to about age 2 or 3 chimps demonstrate the same cleverness as humans but I don't think they comprehend what a deity is. I think that until children are least old enough to understand that some people believe in deities that we probably shouldn't foist the term upon them. What do you think?

 

[Cycel]

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Where did you get the number 5-6 from? That's an outright lie.

Thanks for posting the info. Now I don't have to look it up.

And you do know that not everything that dies fossilizes right?
The skeleton has to be buried under certain conditions that allow
preservation.

In Southwestern Ontario where I live Passenger Pigeons once existed in the billions. Flocks 300 miles long and so dense that on a clear day they'd block out the Sun when they passed overhead. Yet I challenge a Creationist to find a dead one, or one that has been fossilized. I don't know that any have ever been found. We have a few stuffed ones and that is all. Sad really, but it highlights how unusual it is for fossils to form.

 

[SweetSavour]

Ah, I've had this discussion on an atheist forum. Personally I don't think children are born atheists -- well, technically perhaps they are, but we wouldn't consider chimps atheists would we? Up to about age 2 or 3 chimps demonstrate the same cleverness as humans but I don't think they comprehend what a deity is. I think that until children are least old enough to understand that some people believe in deities that we probably shouldn't foist the term upon them. What do you think?

It depends on what your definition of atheism is. If the definition is "the lack of belief in gods" then
yes all children are born atheists.

Imagine being born in this world without anyone telling or showing you anything - nothing. Would you
believe in a god? How could you if you didn't know what a "god" is?

We are all born atheists. Beliefs are learned.

 

[Imperfect]

atheism is foolish. evolution is foolish. period. this really isnt even up for debate.

 

[megaman125]

We're all born atheists. Religion is taught to us.

We're all born without knowledge or beliefs about evolution. It's dogmatically taught to us.

 

[Cycel]

They don't blame God for everything, only the bad stuff, specifically, their own sins or mankinds' sins.

It's the old Argument from Evil; following is the basic formula:

If God is all good He cannot be all powerful,
Because He evidently cannot prevent evil.
If He is all powerful He cannot be all good
Because He allows evil to exist.

It's not just atheists who raise this matter. Christians struggle with it as well, as I am sure you know, and they've written about it extensively. Some have even lost their faith because they couldn't resolve the issue.

I think a better question to ask is, why do atheists always bring up that the Bible was written by man, as if that somehow invalidates it, but yet they're so quick to believe the billions of years ago origin myth know as evolution, which was written by man?

I am one who is quick to point out that saddling Darwin with the obvious fact that he is human is no argument against evolution. Men have been right too many times to make the argument that evolution must be wrong because Darwin is a man, but Creationists still make that argument and think they are saying something important. If you think the theory of evolution is false then attack the evidence propping it up for the man could well be right.

Genesis must undergo the same critical examination as evolution. Whoever wrote Genesis may have been right, so we have to examine the claims. Outside of Creationist circles that has already been done. The first book of scripture has all the earmarks of myth upon it. Genesis makes far more sense once it is placed within the context of Bronze Age mythology. That is a statement that needs corroboration. It can't stand alone, but I believe it can be proven. If successful all opposition to evolution would melt away.

 

[Grey]

atheism is foolish. evolution is foolish. period. this really isnt even up for debate.

There's a little primate in all of us as you can see.

 

[SweetSavour]

We're all born without knowledge or beliefs about evolution. It's dogmatically taught to us.

If you accept gravity and that germs cause sickness
why do you not accept evolution? All three are
evidence supported theories.

Why is it only religious people that deny evolution?
I believe in the academic science world the acceptance
level of evolution is over 90 percent. If, however, evolution
was disproved tomorrow I would be fine with it. Science
gets us closer to the truth. Disproving it still doesn't
prove creationism though.

 

[Cycel]

We're all born without knowledge or beliefs about evolution. It's dogmatically taught to us.

Dogma is the wrong word for its meaning is properly only applied to religion, but you do recognize that nonetheless your statement applies equally to everything. Dawkins calls them memes (a good word). Whether we are talking about the traditional preparation of turkey for the Christmas feast by one family, a ham by another, or a lamb by a third. Traditions are memes. All beliefs are memes. They are passed down from one generation to the next, and some memes are very hard to shake.

 

[CoooCaw]

Dogma can be applied to eligions like secular humanism or any other irrational belief like yours.

The fact remains that the Bible confirms the observable evidence.

You have to throw out reason and occam's razor in order to interpret the observable evidence as you do;

well not you; you just take things on blind faith

I could never hold that type of faith which goes against reason and the available proof.

Dogma is the wrong word for its meaning is properly only applied to religion, but you do recognize that nonetheless your statement applies equally to everything. Dawkins calls them memes (a good word). Whether we are talking about the traditional preparation of turkey for the Christmas feast by one family, a ham by another, or a lamb by a third. Traditions are memes. All beliefs are memes. They are passed down from one generation to the next, and some memes are very hard to shake.

 

[Cycel]

It depends on what your definition of atheism is. If the definition is "the lack of belief in gods" then yes all children are born atheists.

But then chimps must also be called atheists, yes? That might prove embarrassing.

Imagine being born in this world without anyone telling or showing you anything - nothing. Would you believe in a god?

No, but I don't think it would be long before someone else invented one.

We are all born atheists. Beliefs are learned.

I'd like to know if you think chimpanzees should be called atheists. Remember my point that they have the same intellect as human toddlers. If toddlers can be given the atheist label then why not chimps?

 

[Cycel]

Why is it only religious people that deny evolution?

You do acknowledge that many religious people fully accept evolution? Properly speaking its mostly Young Earth Creationists who deny it, I think.

I just thought we should recognize those millions of believers who are with us on this. There may be a few in this forum as well. It would be nice if they came forward.