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You don't know in what time you live, do you?
You may continue to seek to condemn. How can someone who is 49 years old not have the experience yet to understand what is going on? What is your purpose of condemnation? Do you seek to glorify yourself?
No. The Christian does not earn salvation washing cars! Neither does the Christian earn salvation by preaching Christ to all the nations! Neither does the Christian earn salvation by printing Bibles! Neither does the Christian earn salvation by condemning those in whose shoes one has not been!
How the devil has a grip on this world! Now because the devil has made so many laws, and society has become so dark, and difficult for many, and many are still bound to traditions of men, believing these traditions to be of God, but they are not; therefore do these people not understand that the devil manipulates the environment that Christians may begin to persecute each other of those things which are very difficult!
What then is the purpose of being a missionary in third world countries wherein they have nothing to provide for themselves, but only that which is given to them by the Christians and other aid services, if there be any? Are Christian missionaries only there to pour hot coals upon the heads of the heathens? Or are they there to share the knowledge and wisdom of the Lord that those people may be saved?
And then would you condemn any in the rich countries? Let me assure you, the poor in the rich countries are worse off than the poor in the poor countries. The poor in the rich countries are separated by technology and many laws, whereas the poor in the poor countries still have their communities. Though they may be up against firearms, the poor of the rich countries must face the evil fire and assault of those who consider themselves righteous and earners of their own wages.
And those with sickness, physical or mental, these are manipulated by society and discarded by those in the faith, by those same who claim, "I work, I must." One will always use the law to justify their actions and to make themselves feel as though they are earners of their wages. I will remind the hypocrites once again, do you cause the sun to rise in the morning? Do you cause it to rain? Do you cause the food to grow? To you reap it? Did you sow it? Did you create your job for yourself or was it offered to you? Did you build the building of the company at which you applied? Did you create all the systems by which you created and filled out your application? Did you create your job? Have you mastered your job all by yourself, or is your mastery the image of the shadow of the obviousness of what job should be done? Have you given yourself feet or hands? Did you print the money? Did you create the banks? The credit system? What have you done to earn what you claim to earn? Did you give birth to yourself? Did you write the Holy Bible? Did you speak the Word before the Word was revealed to you, or before the Word was written upon your heart?
If not, then upon which premise do you take one line of text and condemn all of humanity with it?
Why do you not justify Christians with the law instead of persecute them?
Why do you not consider what it is to provide? Why do you not consider what food is? Why do you not consider that we are told that though we may forsake our family for the Lord, we shall in no wise lose our reward? Why do you not consider that some are sick physically, some are sick mentally, some are in depression, some are still learning, and that the enemy is hard at work? Why do you consider nothing besides that which you decide to use to justify yourself?
Do you not know that you have earned nothing?
There are many who work that are not willing to work. They clock in and receive a pay check. They perform their jobs halfway, but know they get away with the rest. There are those who manipulate their employment to their own end. There are those who claim they need not master any further than what they have. There are those who do none of those things, and yet boast in that they do well. There are many that do naughty things to provide. Which is worse? To have employment doing that which is wrong to provide, or to forego that and to learn in what manner one should provide? Do you think that these are providing for their family? And what offense is it to you? How are you harmed? Is it not those people that feel they have little to offer financially the same people who complain that another is not working? So then their complaints are about money, not about God. And are you harmed because one's salvation is at stake? Then reason and love with them and share with them and find their heart. Do not condemn them. If someone completely refuses your help, refuses to do all things, refuses any love you offer, believes that all should serve them, and that they should do nothing, and they seek no reference from the Lord, or any such thing, even then, what can you do then? Will complaining provide for them? And who is hurt by their manipulation? Who can see it? It is enough to say, "I do not support your faulty thinking, and I would rather not interact with you as a friend until you are willing to hear me and work together to find what you can do."
Do you not discern that the reason so many worked beforehand was because they thought that those works bought their salvation?! Do you not discern that the reason Timothy spoke to that end is because when people were relieved of their bondage, they believed they were relieved from their work all together? Therefore, those to whom Timothy spoke believed just as you believe! How do you not see the error in your thinking?
For those who work the job understanding that the job to provide for the family is not the job unto salvation, then those same may find peace in their work, or their transition of work, or the circumstances which they cannot control, and the pain they suffer then should not be doubled upon them, even if they speak no pain, but seemingly arrogance, it is there. And so why add to the pain?
Do you not also understand that in Timothy's day, there were not millions of laws, and there were not hundreds of thousands of work laws, and there was work to be found if one sought? And still, if one seeks, they may be able to find some work. But then also, they may not. Or they may not find it in the time which everyone expects. And some hypocritically pray to the Lord, "Please, give that brother a job." But then when the brother comes back with no job, the same who prayed reams the brother out and says, "Why haven't you looked harder?" How hypocritical can one be?
I do not see the law being used to justify anyone here but one's self. I see the law being used to condemn and to accuse those which have angered the OP and all in agreement with the OP. The same have not experienced the darkness of the society of this world and the same are offended by that which they should not be offended.
Retirement funds, pension plans, insurances, stock options, and all manner of things exist for your account. And yet you worry about these things that these things have a power over you instead of to serve you. And surely, people have made these things a power over themselves. For now people base their entire lives on these things in the rich countries. "I've done my duty."
This thread would have been a little more righteous if it had been made for the purpose of condemning the rich who have forsaken the poor and who have cast stumbling blocks to prevent competition and to prevent provision or any sharing at all of any thing that they have; and even then, the thread would not have been in righteousness.
You may continue to seek to condemn. How can someone who is 49 years old not have the experience yet to understand what is going on? What is your purpose of condemnation? Do you seek to glorify yourself?
No. The Christian does not earn salvation washing cars! Neither does the Christian earn salvation by preaching Christ to all the nations! Neither does the Christian earn salvation by printing Bibles! Neither does the Christian earn salvation by condemning those in whose shoes one has not been!
How the devil has a grip on this world! Now because the devil has made so many laws, and society has become so dark, and difficult for many, and many are still bound to traditions of men, believing these traditions to be of God, but they are not; therefore do these people not understand that the devil manipulates the environment that Christians may begin to persecute each other of those things which are very difficult!
What then is the purpose of being a missionary in third world countries wherein they have nothing to provide for themselves, but only that which is given to them by the Christians and other aid services, if there be any? Are Christian missionaries only there to pour hot coals upon the heads of the heathens? Or are they there to share the knowledge and wisdom of the Lord that those people may be saved?
And then would you condemn any in the rich countries? Let me assure you, the poor in the rich countries are worse off than the poor in the poor countries. The poor in the rich countries are separated by technology and many laws, whereas the poor in the poor countries still have their communities. Though they may be up against firearms, the poor of the rich countries must face the evil fire and assault of those who consider themselves righteous and earners of their own wages.
And those with sickness, physical or mental, these are manipulated by society and discarded by those in the faith, by those same who claim, "I work, I must." One will always use the law to justify their actions and to make themselves feel as though they are earners of their wages. I will remind the hypocrites once again, do you cause the sun to rise in the morning? Do you cause it to rain? Do you cause the food to grow? To you reap it? Did you sow it? Did you create your job for yourself or was it offered to you? Did you build the building of the company at which you applied? Did you create all the systems by which you created and filled out your application? Did you create your job? Have you mastered your job all by yourself, or is your mastery the image of the shadow of the obviousness of what job should be done? Have you given yourself feet or hands? Did you print the money? Did you create the banks? The credit system? What have you done to earn what you claim to earn? Did you give birth to yourself? Did you write the Holy Bible? Did you speak the Word before the Word was revealed to you, or before the Word was written upon your heart?
If not, then upon which premise do you take one line of text and condemn all of humanity with it?
Why do you not justify Christians with the law instead of persecute them?
Why do you not consider what it is to provide? Why do you not consider what food is? Why do you not consider that we are told that though we may forsake our family for the Lord, we shall in no wise lose our reward? Why do you not consider that some are sick physically, some are sick mentally, some are in depression, some are still learning, and that the enemy is hard at work? Why do you consider nothing besides that which you decide to use to justify yourself?
Do you not know that you have earned nothing?
There are many who work that are not willing to work. They clock in and receive a pay check. They perform their jobs halfway, but know they get away with the rest. There are those who manipulate their employment to their own end. There are those who claim they need not master any further than what they have. There are those who do none of those things, and yet boast in that they do well. There are many that do naughty things to provide. Which is worse? To have employment doing that which is wrong to provide, or to forego that and to learn in what manner one should provide? Do you think that these are providing for their family? And what offense is it to you? How are you harmed? Is it not those people that feel they have little to offer financially the same people who complain that another is not working? So then their complaints are about money, not about God. And are you harmed because one's salvation is at stake? Then reason and love with them and share with them and find their heart. Do not condemn them. If someone completely refuses your help, refuses to do all things, refuses any love you offer, believes that all should serve them, and that they should do nothing, and they seek no reference from the Lord, or any such thing, even then, what can you do then? Will complaining provide for them? And who is hurt by their manipulation? Who can see it? It is enough to say, "I do not support your faulty thinking, and I would rather not interact with you as a friend until you are willing to hear me and work together to find what you can do."
Do you not discern that the reason so many worked beforehand was because they thought that those works bought their salvation?! Do you not discern that the reason Timothy spoke to that end is because when people were relieved of their bondage, they believed they were relieved from their work all together? Therefore, those to whom Timothy spoke believed just as you believe! How do you not see the error in your thinking?
For those who work the job understanding that the job to provide for the family is not the job unto salvation, then those same may find peace in their work, or their transition of work, or the circumstances which they cannot control, and the pain they suffer then should not be doubled upon them, even if they speak no pain, but seemingly arrogance, it is there. And so why add to the pain?
Do you not also understand that in Timothy's day, there were not millions of laws, and there were not hundreds of thousands of work laws, and there was work to be found if one sought? And still, if one seeks, they may be able to find some work. But then also, they may not. Or they may not find it in the time which everyone expects. And some hypocritically pray to the Lord, "Please, give that brother a job." But then when the brother comes back with no job, the same who prayed reams the brother out and says, "Why haven't you looked harder?" How hypocritical can one be?
I do not see the law being used to justify anyone here but one's self. I see the law being used to condemn and to accuse those which have angered the OP and all in agreement with the OP. The same have not experienced the darkness of the society of this world and the same are offended by that which they should not be offended.
Retirement funds, pension plans, insurances, stock options, and all manner of things exist for your account. And yet you worry about these things that these things have a power over you instead of to serve you. And surely, people have made these things a power over themselves. For now people base their entire lives on these things in the rich countries. "I've done my duty."
This thread would have been a little more righteous if it had been made for the purpose of condemning the rich who have forsaken the poor and who have cast stumbling blocks to prevent competition and to prevent provision or any sharing at all of any thing that they have; and even then, the thread would not have been in righteousness.
