Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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No everyone is reconciled to be pure, all that is left is to beleive God or not, and that is it. and in response to God us the creation we go out with the overwhelming joy that Father places in us once we believe Father we are made alive in Spirit and truth
Dead is dead, no one is saved by death or reconciliation, forgiven
We are saved by Life Christ's resurrected one
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life
Reconciled all by the death but death does not save, the resurrected Christ is what does the saving, and by no works of any other flesh than Christ's and is why he is the way, the truht and the new life he came to give us in Spirit and truth, this Spirit and truth is the resurrected Chirst
Dead is dead, no one is saved by death or reconciliation, forgiven
We are saved by Life Christ's resurrected one
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life
Reconciled all by the death but death does not save, the resurrected Christ is what does the saving, and by no works of any other flesh than Christ's and is why he is the way, the truht and the new life he came to give us in Spirit and truth, this Spirit and truth is the resurrected Chirst
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John the baptizer said Jesus was the only one who could baptize with the Holy Spirit and Fire, that leaves water as the one saving baptism that the disciples that were commissioned could go out and do...
rubbish
[h=3]Acts 19 :2-6[/h]2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
rubbish
[h=3]Acts 19 :2-6[/h]2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
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John the baptizer said Jesus was the only one who could baptize with the Holy Spirit and Fire, that leaves water as the one saving baptism that the disciples that were commissioned could go out and do... rubbish
Acts 19 :2-6
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 19 :2-6
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Saved from God's wrath for sin through Son, and left for us to beleive consciously or not to beleive consciously. the last and final choice unto salvation by beleive or stay dead in flesh, So beleive and thank God to receive salvation in the resurrected Christ. no other way I see, saved by life not death and for all to make the choice as to whetrher they believe God or not in God's finished work through Son or not
But that is too simple, flesh just wants something to do with it and does not want to give up does it?
But that is too simple, flesh just wants something to do with it and does not want to give up does it?
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homwardbound, SO, you are finally admitting that Jesus did not do it all on the cross or at his resurrection; We MUST finalize all Jesus did with our Faith, or all of Jesus work is in vain. ? Thank you for saying that Jesus DID NOT save the whole world by His death and resurrection. But, you still will not see that sinners are to dead, to reach for the life guard's (Jesus') hand. Jesus must give us life first, then we can reach out for His hand. AND, to add to faith, the whole requirements for salvation are Repent, trust and obey. ONLY JESUS can give us those gifts. Love to all, Hoffco
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You can;t work at it. The penalty of sin is death, It is not asking forgiveness. it is not repenting. It is not beong baptized it is death.
Only death can remove the penalty of sin and redeem us. There is a reason Christ died once, There is a reason there is no continually sacrifices continuing for sin.
Only death can remove the penalty of sin and redeem us. There is a reason Christ died once, There is a reason there is no continually sacrifices continuing for sin.
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whats wrong with the context?
I died with thim, thus I will LIVE with him. end of debate
If I endure, I will have a seat of honor with him, instead of being on the sidelines (although i will still be with him)
I have not denied him, so does not pertain to me.
if I am faithless. he is faithfull, He can't deny himself.
why? I died with him, thus I WILL LIVE WITH HIM.
I HAVE eternal life based on his promise based on his work.
I died with thim, thus I will LIVE with him. end of debate
If I endure, I will have a seat of honor with him, instead of being on the sidelines (although i will still be with him)
I have not denied him, so does not pertain to me.
if I am faithless. he is faithfull, He can't deny himself.
why? I died with him, thus I WILL LIVE WITH HIM.
I HAVE eternal life based on his promise based on his work.
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Keep on seeing this sis. Because this is what Keeps us humble. Like paul in romans 7. If yuo are like some in here (especially the one your replying to) and think you are living up to what he said because of the law. Your in serious trouble. And the ability for God to use you and expose your problems will dwindle. if not fade away
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eternally gratefull ,you miss interpret the Prodigal son. The story tells one truth, the son was lost and dead, the only way he could get a relationship to his father again was to repent and come back to serve the Father as a slave. Try this interpretation. We all got lost in Adam's sin, the only way God our Father, our maker, will receive us back, is for us to be sorry, repent and come back as a servant of God, then God will restore our sonship, as a gift. The father in the story is not a good picture of God, God, the Father,son and Holy Spirit is out seeking and saving that which was lost. "was", because, in God's eyes we are as good as saved before we are born ,before time, God love Jacob (and me) and hated Esau. Did God love you? Love to all. Hoffco
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No.
You miss the point of the prodigal son.
He was born into his fathers family, thus had access to his fathers blessings. He decided for some reason to go out on his own, And realised doing this is foolish.
His father did not force him to stay, he let him, But he was sad KNOWING the suffering he was going to endure But he was always ready, knowing he would return.
He son came back, willing to be a slave, because he did not understand his fathers true love, The father said no. What is mine is still yours, always has been
You miss the point of the prodigal son.
He was born into his fathers family, thus had access to his fathers blessings. He decided for some reason to go out on his own, And realised doing this is foolish.
His father did not force him to stay, he let him, But he was sad KNOWING the suffering he was going to endure But he was always ready, knowing he would return.
He son came back, willing to be a slave, because he did not understand his fathers true love, The father said no. What is mine is still yours, always has been
Makes you know you are saved and sure of it, doesn't it? God will continue to bless your faithfulness.
Oh, and HE put it on my heart to show you the THREAD you asked for:
http://christianchat.com/testimonies/
Oh, and HE put it on my heart to show you the THREAD you asked for:
http://christianchat.com/testimonies/
Here is where you find that in Scripture:
John 3:36 (NIV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Romans 2:5 (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
Romans 5:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!
Ephesians 5:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Revelation 3:10 (ESV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
Revelation 6:15-17 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
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There are more verses about God's Wrath on unrepentant unbelievers, but those are the main ones.
John 3:36 (NIV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
Romans 2:5 (NIV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
Romans 5:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!
Ephesians 5:6 (NIV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Revelation 3:10 (ESV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.
Revelation 6:15-17 (ESV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] calling to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”
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There are more verses about God's Wrath on unrepentant unbelievers, but those are the main ones.