Baptism Essential to Salvation

[Alligator]

not sure what your argument with sea bass is, Have not been following it.

As for Atwood and the rest of us. We are not saying have faith alone, and do not do anything.

We are saying have faith in the promise of God (eternal life) and out of gratefulness for what he gave you (eternal life) learn to trust him in all areas, and do what he asks you to do. Like be baptised.

i was directing the post to homeward bound, not Seabass

 

[Atwood]

Only 1 Must-I-Do, 1 Essential for Salvation: Faith in Christ

Sirs, what Must-I-Do to be saved?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Salvation is offered to man with only 1 requirement, over & over.
That one single requirement is to trust Christ as Savior, believe on Him.
(that does not mean to consider him a mere chance-giver).

Meet the Savior:

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

So many, many times is salvation offered just for believing/faith, that that data requires 2 postings here; the system can't handle it all in one post.

Such being the case, faith/belief must be the only requirement.
The unusual verses where some other term is used must be understood in that context.

Sure, if you believe & brush your teeth you will be saved! But tooth brushing is not required
(might be good if your breath stinks though).

Water baptism is impossible, since salvation by works is directly forbidden; and water baptism is a human work. Spirit baptism is a work, but not a human work. The Lord has done work to save the believer.

So, if you need to, reconsider interpreting the few verses where baptism might seem an ingredient as spirit baptism, if water is not mentioned.

And you know I don't recall ever meeting a water-baptism advocate who didn't also deny salvation and the Savior by reducing Him to a chance-giver instead of the Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Re: Only 1 Must-I-Do, 1 Essential for Salvation: Faith in Christ

Yes one requirement, with more than one condition in which one must do so show that belief.

Repentance, confession, forgiveness of sins, helping others ( producing good fruit )

Sirs, what Must-I-Do to be saved?

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

Salvation is offered to man with only 1 requirement, over & over.
That one single requirement is to trust Christ as Savior, believe on Him.
(that does not mean to consider him a mere chance-giver).

Meet the Savior:

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

So many, many times is salvation offered just for believing/faith, that that data requires 2 postings here; the system can't handle it all in one post.

Such being the case, faith/belief must be the only requirement.
The unusual verses where some other term is used must be understood in that context.

Sure, if you believe & brush your teeth you will be saved! But tooth brushing is not required
(might be good if your breath stinks though).

Water baptism is impossible, since salvation by works is directly forbidden; and water baptism is a human work. Spirit baptism is a work, but not a human work. The Lord has done work to save the believer.

So, if you need to, reconsider interpreting the few verses where baptism might seem an ingredient as spirit baptism, if water is not mentioned.

And you know I don't recall ever meeting a water-baptism advocate who didn't also deny salvation and the Savior by reducing Him to a chance-giver instead of the Savior.

Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.

 

[homwardbound]

So men can disobey God and yet still be saved while they remain in their disobedience/sin/unrighteousness?

You Sir are not God who is Merciful, which it appears you do not understand and or have responded to God in appreciation to God for Son to do what Son did for us.
Is this so? for by Christ's bodily death we are:
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

So if you believe that passage above, we are cleansed by Christ's death for us, what is left? To become Holy? How can one?, when by Christ we are made this way? In Father's view, not this worlds view

So what do you think, one needs to ask for? Could it be the new life Christ told Nicodemus, that he came to give?
Romans 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

John 10:10 [Full Chapter]
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Where is this new life at? Not in the death is it? Right in the resurrected Christ in Spirit and truth, not in carnal actions
For God can only be:
John 4:24 [Full Chapter]
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So no life without Spirit of God, in the lead
Have a blessed day

 

[homwardbound]

You think not, but it doesn't matter what you think. What matters is what God says. You guys kill me. You all want to say "It's good to get baptized" or " you should get baptized" but you claim it doesn't do anything. Then why "should" you do it? or what makes it "good" to do. If baptism is only a profession of your faith, you can do that with your mouth, or with the way you live. Why get baptized at all? What is happening is that you guys can't deny water baptism all together because its in the word to many times and too many people obeyed God and did it so you "have" to say something good about it. But you still deny that it's necessary. Well, deny all you want, you are calling Jesus a liar, not anybody else. He is the one that said is was necessary to get into the Kingdom of God.

1 Peter 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 3:16
having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
Hebrews 13:18
Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
1 Timothy 1:19
holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:
1 Timothy 1:5
Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

The above is why I got water Baptized after I was made alive in Spirit and truth by God, in appreciation and not for membership in the worlds Churches, where they say we are right and the others are wrong, unless we recognize them

How wrong of mankind, to do this to anyone. as it appears has been done to you Apostolic862004

God is the teacher and the Kingdom is of heaven in Spirit and truth

[h=1]Hebrews 8:1-11Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h]8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: [SUP]5 [/SUP]who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [SUP]9 [/SUP]not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

 

[homwardbound]

No. I wish that was the case but just because you are born again does not mean that you do whatever God tells you. It means you "SHOULD" do whatever God tells you. But we still have a fallen nature, and we still have our own will that we have to submit to God and we don't always do what we "SHOULD."

No, God is not a tyrannt. I know how deep his love is. His love is deep enough that he would make a way for me to be saved, yet he won't force me to do it. That is true love.

So it is a response issue right?
I am the creation not the creator as mankind acts and wants to be and is why by free choice man does not do what God asks for him to do right? That unredeemed nature pesky as it is just continues to get in the way, right?

So how does one stop it? here is a verse for you to comtemplate and I am trusting God to reveal to you the truth in it
[h=1]Galatians 6:8Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h][SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

 

[JaumeJ]

Everyone knows what Yeshua, Jesus, said to the thief crucified with Him. He was not baptized, but he believed.

One should be baptized calling on the name of our Lord, Yeshua, for remission of sins, but we see by His own words it is not always necessary for salvation.

 

[2Thewaters]

That is right
some prisoners can't be baptised
but they would if they could.

those would could but dont care to have not given their love and heart to the word of God yet.
so
repent
and get born again.
ask for it and pray for the desire to be one of the family.

its the covenant

I die to my sinful ways
I walk accoding to the commandments of God and his word
I love them

I am his
and I want to always obey and follow him

that is the covenant
and he fills ou with love to live in him.

 

[jag1977]

I am not baptized and you know that is my choice and it is not required

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not baptized and you know that is my choice and it is not required

so your going to disobey God, why would you do that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i was directing the post to homeward bound, not Seabass

my bad, forgive me

 

[jag1977]

so your going to disobey God, why would you do that?

WOW! You are trying to prove your point? Is that a good idea? You sure? That is what you want to do with my post?

 

[tourist]

my bad, forgive me

"My bad" seems to be a favorite saying of mine as I find myself saying it often.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"My bad" seems to be a favorite saying of mine as I find myself saying it often.

its good to admit your mistake humbly, instead of trying to make excuses or blame everyone else. which is self centered and sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

WOW! You are trying to prove your point? Is that a good idea? You sure? That is what you want to do with my post?

and what point would I be trying to prove? I asked a simple question. not trying to make a point, but if you think I am, please share.

 

[homwardbound]

Hi guys. I don't know any of you. I am not a Senior Member and I have no Rep Power. I only have a message I feel strongly led to share with you. I am just the obedient messenger.

Have either of you been baptised with water?

Were you led to do it by God, or was it just something your church told you that you have to do?

I was baptised with water as a baby in the Presbyterian Church. I am glad because I was dedicated to God at such an early age! I was baptised with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as an adult.

But, God led me to be baptised in a river in the bush (I am in South Africa) by a pastor I did not really know, about two years ago.

This is my message to you. I did it because God wanted it to happen to me on a date, time and place suitable to Him. He had a message for me. When I came up out of that water, my whole life's past flashed away and He said to me "DO NOT DIVORCE YOUR HUSBAND!" I became a new person and went home to my unsaved husband and we now lead a wonderful life together because, even though he is unsaved, God has a reason for me to stay married to him. He has plans maybe that I have not yet been shown. He is sanctified by me and I try to lead by example and still pray for his salvation every day.

Don't question the what, who, why or how! It is GOD. He is supposed to be the One present at your baptism. He is the what, who, why and how. He is the words uttered. Not the pastor speaking correctly or incorrectly. Or the correct or incorrect verse in the Bible translated. God will lead.

His servant
Joh-Anne

Oh, and I do feel that if you have accepted God into your life and follow Him, you will have eternal life - salvation. Everything else in between follows only in God's timing - not ours.

Welcome aboard to the freedom found in and through and by Christ unto Father. Amen

 

[jag1977]

and what point would I be trying to prove? I asked a simple question. not trying to make a point, but if you think I am, please share.

Exactly you asked...I am answering when you know GOD as my life has experienced then you ask to debate, until then try and keep your mouth shut or go have your head submerged again as a proof that you worthy.

 

[homwardbound]

there is one thing you will never grasp, Or refuse to grasp, concerning baptism, or any other command of God. You think that simply following a command, such as being baptized, automatically means we are working for our salvation and we're depending on our works to save us. How foolish. Tell me something, how can obeying a command of God mean we are trying to earn salvation ? So what you and Atwood are really saying is don't obey God, just trust him. So you guys are the ones making a mockery out of Christ and his cross. Don't obey just trust.

it is downright comical to see on this forum, the hatred not only of baptism but water. I've seen many rather feeble attempts to try and make it Spirit baptism when there is nothing in the context to justify it.

Trusting God is obeying God, by trusting God, period, as Abraham, Noah Jacob, Joseph, and many patriarchs did and do
Hebrews 11 is a good chapter on this
You assumed that I am saying if you get water Baptized you are working at it by your own works. I never said that.
I said water Baptism is a Good Conscience between God and you. it is not man made, yet man has corrupted it, by you can't be a member unless you get water Baptized and I say I have been and this denomination says, not here you have not, so I ask so I am not saved and the answer only if you belong to this Church
How wrong mankind flesh nature that thinks he is so good and still stinks, no matter how good he acts
I do not care if one gets saved and goes out doing all sorts of good, it means nothing if it is not done by God through the person doing the works

[h=1]1 Corinthians 13:1-3Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h]13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.


The works one needs are God works as in

[h=1]1 Corinthians 13:4-7Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h][SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, [SUP]5 [/SUP]doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; [SUP]6 [/SUP]rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; [SUP]7 [/SUP]beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

And that can only be imputed by God to you, me or anyone that believes from God and by God alone thanks to Christ

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Exactly you asked...I am answering when you know GOD as my life has experienced then you ask to debate, until then try and keep your mouth shut or go have your head submerged again as a proof that you worthy.

yeah, I asked why you would not obey a command of God.. is this a bad thing? I am not trying to dbate anything, I just asked. why are you afraid to answer?

 

[Joh-Anne]

Thank you homwardbound! God bless you. I have been following this thread and it makes me sad to see people bickering over something that is so so special. And, I don't want to stir - but it is something I wish God will bless others with. I know I am happy He did it for me!