the topic at hand is
Baptism symbol only ?
this is no symbol and it is the topic.....what you or I believe cannot change the truth...can the clay talk back to the potter....All that question proves is that God is God and he can do anything....you cannot box God in a corner because he did something one way and choose to do the same thing another way...
Colossians 2:12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
the scripture is clearly showing something happening at baptism...you can deny it but you cannot stop it.....
Baptism symbol only ?
this is no symbol and it is the topic.....what you or I believe cannot change the truth...can the clay talk back to the potter....All that question proves is that God is God and he can do anything....you cannot box God in a corner because he did something one way and choose to do the same thing another way...
Colossians 2:12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
the scripture is clearly showing something happening at baptism...you can deny it but you cannot stop it.....
So my question is very relevant to the topic - if the Holy Spirit does not indwell before forgiveness of sins, but only after forgiveness of sins, then it is obvious from Acts 20 that baptism with water is not required for that forgiveness. Whether or not it is commanded for other reasons is another matter - I'm specifically responding to you attaching baptism to forgiveness of sins.
I can only assume you are trying to avoid answering the question because you don't like the conclusion that it leads you to.