Contradiction of WORDS

[notuptome]

Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16; Jn 3:5; Acts 2;38; ROo 6:3-5; Gal 3:27 etc are all water baptism. The bible does not promise anyone today baptism with the Holy Spirit. For that idea is made up by those that are trying to find a way to get around the necessity of water baptism.

1) No one who is unforgiven can be saved
2) Water baptism is where God remits/forgives sins
3) Therefore no water baptism = no forgiveness of sins.

You are of course perfectly wrong on every verse you cite. None of these verses cite water baptism. Your error is so evident yet you cannot see it.

Jesus came to this earth to teach salvation by grace through faith. Jesus never ascribed any salvitic merit to water baptism. Jesus taught against cleaning the outside and leaving the filth on the inside.

Jesus breathed upon the disciples in the upper room the Holy Spirit that they might have eternal life. John 20 Paul clarified the quickening of the dead soul by the Holy Spirit in Ephesians 2.

You ought to be embarrassed by this heretic doctrine you espouse but alas you are hardened against any wooing of the Holy Spirit.

Believing that which is unbiblical no matter how ardently it is believed accounts for no virtue and no merit.

For the record none are against water baptism for the believer only that it is required to be saved. Acts 8 clearly demonstrates that Philip and the eunuch entered into water baptism after belief not before and not for the purpose of salvation. Water baptism is for the believer as a step on the path of sanctification not salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Elin]

You just made receiving grace conditional upon being 'in Christ'

So how do the faithless
unrighteous ever get into Christ where grace is found? By doing nothing?

Yep. . .by being born again, which they had absolutely nothing to do with,

just as you had absolutely nothing to do with your natural birth but were totally acted upon.

You didn't receive anything.

Nothing can be received until one is born again.

 

[SeaBass]

Elin says God justifies the wicked (Ro 4:5)

Then why does 1 Cor 6 say the unrighteous will NOT inherit the kingdom of God if God justifies the unrighteous?


Why does Mt 13:49,50 say God will separate the wicked from the just with the wicked entering the furnace of fire if God justifies the wicked?

 

[SeaBass]

Yep. . .by being born again, which they had absolutely nothing to do with,

just as you have absolutely nothing to do with your natural birth but are totally acted upon.

[Being born again is being water baptized.]

If man has nothing to do with being born again, then God randomly decides which men will be and will not be born again?

God will just randomly chose a wicked person and make them born again?

 

[Elin]

[Being born again is being water baptized.]

If man has nothing to do with being born again, then God randomly decides which men will be and will not be born again?

God will just randomly chose a wicked person and make them born again?

Evidently you've never met any who were wicked when God regenerated them.

That's sad, because you have missed witnessing the glorious and mighty resurrection power of God
in raising them from spiritual death to eternal life.

 

[blue_ladybug]

"Perfectly wrong." Now THAT'S a contradiction of words! You can be wrong, but you cannot be perfectly wrong..lol..

 

[Elin]

Then why does 1 Cor 6 say the unrighteous will NOT inherit the kingdom of God if God justifies the unrighteous?

Because they aren't unrighteous after God justifies them so they can inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[SeaBass]

Evidently you've never met any who were wicked when God regenerated them.

That's sad, because you have missed witnessing the glorious and mighty resurrection power of God
in raising them from spiritual death to eternal life.

So God just randomly chose which mans will or will not be "regenerated" and man has no say so in the matter?

 

[elf3]

Sad part is "will not" not cannot. That darned free will.

So blinded by a lie they refuse to see the truth.

 

[elf3]

Rivertrout I am so tired of you twisting my words and making me say things I didn't say I WILL NOT answer you anymore. You have been doing this too me way too long. In fact as soon as I figure out this ignore thing I won't have to worry about it anymore. Not that I haven't tried but just tired of talking to a rock.

 

[SeaBass]

Because they aren't unrighteous after God justifies them so they can inherit the kingdom of God.

Here's your problem in a nutshell:

No unrighteous person can be made righteous without FIRST DOING righteousness.

1 Jn 3:10 "... whosoever doeth (present tense) not righteousness is (present tense) not of God..."

As long as one CONTINUES to do unrighteousness he CONTINUES to NOT be of God. The implication is one must FIRST DO RIGHTEOUSNESS to be of God.

Acts 10:35 he that worketh righteousness is accepted with God.

But your "no works" theology cannot have an unrighteous man do works in order to be made righteous. SO you are trying to invent a way to get an unrighteous man saved while he continues doing works of unrighteousness. You are trying to invent a way to get a man accepted with God WITHOUT him first working righteousness per Acts 10:35.

You contradict 1 Cor 6 and Mt 13:49,50 which both say the unrighteous/wicked are lost.
You say 'no', but God will save the unrighteous and wicked.
But the unrighteous /wicked cannot be both lost and saved at the same time. So which is it?

 

[Elin]

So God just randomly chose which mans will or will not be "regenerated" and man has no say so in the matter?

It's not random. . .it was decided before the foundation of the world. . .like his choice of Jacob,
based on nothing more than his own purpose.

Now God executes those divine decrees in time.

 

[SeaBass]

It's not random. . .it was decided before the foundation of the world. . .like his choice of Jacob, based on nothing more
than his own purpose.

Now God executes those divine decrees in time.

Was the decision before the world began a random one? If not, what basis does God use in choosing whom He will or will not "regenerate"?

If God does not "regenerate" me and I am lost whose fault is it that I am lost?

 

[Elin]

So blinded by a lie they refuse to see the truth.

That's exactly how it works. . .that's why spiritual lies are so dangerous. . .they blind to the truth.

And why Paul so battled against them.

 

[SeaBass]

Rivertrout I am so tired of you twisting my words and making me say things I didn't say I WILL NOT answer you anymore. You have been doing this too me way too long. In fact as soon as I figure out this ignore thing I won't have to worry about it anymore. Not that I haven't tried but just tired of talking to a rock.

No one has twisted your words, you simply are not able to defend false man-made teachings.

You were not able to find a way to get a man saved without that man ever doing any works at all.

Bye.

 

[Elin]

Here's your problem in a nutshell:

No unrighteous person can be made righteous without FIRST DOING righteousness.

Actually, that is your unbelief in a nutshell (Ro 3:28, 4:16, 11:5).

Which has been previously addressed. . .multiple times.

 

[Elin]

Was the decision before the world began a random one? If not, what basis does God use in choosing whom He will or will not "regenerate"?

If God does not "regenerate" me and I am lost whose fault is it that I am lost?

You were born lost.

God doesn't owe salvation to you for any reason.

God is debtor to no man.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Rivertrout I am so tired of you twisting my words and making me say things I didn't say I WILL NOT answer you anymore. You have been doing this too me way too long. In fact as soon as I figure out this ignore thing I won't have to worry about it anymore. Not that I haven't tried but just tired of talking to a rock.

Go to the settings tab at the top of the page..in the list on the left click on "edit ignore list" and add his name to your list. Be sure to spell it properly as it appears here, though. Ignore works wonders for me. It's a good friend..lol..

 

[Elin]

Go to the settings tab at the top of the page..in the list on the left click on "edit ignore list" and add his name to your list. Be sure to spell it properly as it appears here, though. Ignore works wonders for me. It's a good friend..lol..

What does it do?

 

[blue_ladybug]

What does it do?

For elf, it will put SeaBass (or whoever) on ignore, and that person's responses here in the thread will not be seen by elf anymore. He will see a pop-up that says something like "this person's reply is blocked because this user is on your ignore list."