The Law Debacle Resolved
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We have two schools of thought as far as I am concerned.
The first group believe we are saved by grace and only grace and usually this group's main focus is the NT
The second group believe that by grace we are saved by faith and try to keep to what the Bible tells us to do (OT & NT).
The reason why I asked you where we can find the verse that describe salvation by keeping the law is because that is the debate. Salvation by grace or "keeping the law" and every person who tells you that there are still relevance in keeping the law will tell you there is no salvation in keeping the law
just obedience to the Word of God.
If we all can agree that there is no salvation by keeping the law it will lead to a major breakthrough as we now have a starting point where we can work from. Maybe our differences is not that material if we start looking at the similarities...
I hope this make sense?
The first group believe we are saved by grace and only grace and usually this group's main focus is the NT
The second group believe that by grace we are saved by faith and try to keep to what the Bible tells us to do (OT & NT).
The reason why I asked you where we can find the verse that describe salvation by keeping the law is because that is the debate. Salvation by grace or "keeping the law" and every person who tells you that there are still relevance in keeping the law will tell you there is no salvation in keeping the law
just obedience to the Word of God.If we all can agree that there is no salvation by keeping the law it will lead to a major breakthrough as we now have a starting point where we can work from. Maybe our differences is not that material if we start looking at the similarities...
I hope this make sense?
Ours, although imperfect is only a slight reflection of His Law keeping...we call it fruit, just as love is a fruit of the Spirit.
Thank you Brother Don.
A few days ago I gave everyone permission to go off the OP because they were doing it anyway. As long as folks are discussing the Word, the thread is still valuable to all I believe. I know your posts have been edifying and uplifting,; I thank you for you participation especially.
A few days ago I gave everyone permission to go off the OP because they were doing it anyway. As long as folks are discussing the Word, the thread is still valuable to all I believe. I know your posts have been edifying and uplifting,; I thank you for you participation especially.
My hope for every person on CC is that we make it to the Kingdom and if we are there we could have a reunion and laugh about all the things we were wrong about... just kidding but it will be interesting to see people's reaction the day they meet Jesus with the perfect knowledge from the Holy Spirit burning in them.
just kidding but it will be interesting to see people's reaction the day they meet Jesus with the perfect knowledge from the Holy Spirit burning in them.
There seems to be a hang up here. It is like someone inside a car with the window screen is all mucked up. They are given a cloth and told clean the screen. But they say, I do not have to, I am in the car, why do I need to know where I am going?
The whole reason you are in the car is so you can get there, but you have to see or you will crash.
The heart is like a clogged window, with hurts, defences, learnt behaviour stopping things from sorting out because before this just meant death, but with Jesus it means life. Now each believer has to put into action what they are told to do. This is part of being yoked to Jesus, doing what he does. If you cannot do this then in the end you are not yoked to him or commited to learn and grow in the Kingdom.
Now you ask does this mean people loose their salvation if they resist and do not move? Good grief. If you bring a starving man to a table full of food and he says it is poisoned, I will not eat, he is just nuts. Equally why do people not trust Jesus and just obey. He came to the cross, walked with man to show it really does work, it is not made up, I am the King. So if the King asks you to jump up, ask how high, not show me before I will trust you. I am saying this because I know how hard this all is and how unbelievable stupid we are.
Nothing in what Jesus asks us to do is bad for us, it is eternal and part of His kingdom. Everyday in everything we do, we need to listen and learn, to share and be instructed.
His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
2 Peter 1:3
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.
Heb 12:14-16
The whole reason you are in the car is so you can get there, but you have to see or you will crash.
The heart is like a clogged window, with hurts, defences, learnt behaviour stopping things from sorting out because before this just meant death, but with Jesus it means life. Now each believer has to put into action what they are told to do. This is part of being yoked to Jesus, doing what he does. If you cannot do this then in the end you are not yoked to him or commited to learn and grow in the Kingdom.
Now you ask does this mean people loose their salvation if they resist and do not move? Good grief. If you bring a starving man to a table full of food and he says it is poisoned, I will not eat, he is just nuts. Equally why do people not trust Jesus and just obey. He came to the cross, walked with man to show it really does work, it is not made up, I am the King. So if the King asks you to jump up, ask how high, not show me before I will trust you. I am saying this because I know how hard this all is and how unbelievable stupid we are.
Nothing in what Jesus asks us to do is bad for us, it is eternal and part of His kingdom. Everyday in everything we do, we need to listen and learn, to share and be instructed.
His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
2 Peter 1:3
Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord. See to it that no one falls short of the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.
Heb 12:14-16
Did you read and understand what was said? The worthless servant buried his talent of gold. Gold is our faith in the Word. We all receive faith as a gift when we come to Jesus Christ. If your faith is buried it cannot lead you to grace, nor will you be a productive servant. Now, if you feel convicted because of these truths from the Word, that is you.
Also, now you are saying you have works? Are you not doing the same as I? Your works should include obeying Jesus Christ, right? Why then tell me I am trying to earn my salvation, when I have confessed that I am saved by the Blood of the Lamb of God, my Lord, and yours I hope, Jesus Christ.
Make up your mind. Does faith produce good works? Is obeying Jesus Christ not good works? Please tell me one way or another. I have shared and bared all with everyone here, so why not you?
Also, now you are saying you have works? Are you not doing the same as I? Your works should include obeying Jesus Christ, right? Why then tell me I am trying to earn my salvation, when I have confessed that I am saved by the Blood of the Lamb of God, my Lord, and yours I hope, Jesus Christ.
Make up your mind. Does faith produce good works? Is obeying Jesus Christ not good works? Please tell me one way or another. I have shared and bared all with everyone here, so why not you?
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