Dualism, the doctrine of a disassociated identity

[InSpiritInTruth]

I heard that...he does not even believe the disciples of Jesus had been born of the spirit when Jesus speaks to their weak flesh in the garden...even though they had given fruit worthy of repentance, been immersed and called out by Jesus as disciples....

That is a good one, me thinks you don't understand....(notice I use the words of God to prove my points)

John 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:


Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Luke 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.


Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

 

[Grace777x70]

The Holy Spirit knew what He was doing when He had Paul write 1 Corinthians....

Some of them were going to temple prostitutes for sex, they were taking each other to court, they were in divisions and strife, they were not treating the poor amongst them right...etc.

Paul was saying that those in Corinth were acting like mere men and men of flesh - in other words not being spiritually minded.

1 Corinthians 3:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able,

[SUP]3 [/SUP] for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For when one says, "I am of Paul," and another, "I am of Apollos," are you not mere men?


I noticed that in verse 1 Paul says that they are "babes in Christ".

- not that you are going to hell because you are sinning. Or that because they were sinning - that they are not born of God.

 

[JesusRules1]

If we are led of the Spirit we will be able to abstain from sin,but it is true we cannot attain sinless perfection on earth,because we are in the flesh and in the flesh dwells no good thing,and the Spirit and flesh are contrary to each other,and as long as we have the capability to sin then we cannot attain sinless perfection with the temptation that goes on,and being in the flesh,for the only way we can attain sinless perfection is if there is no way possible we can sin,which means we will not be tempted,and do not even think of sin for it would never be a part of us.

When we are with Jesus we have sinless perfection for there is no way we can ever rebel for it will not be part of us,and the New Jerusalem is a place where sin has never been and sin will never be,and the former earth shall not be remembered,or come to mind,and rebellion will never rear its ugly head again,and the saints will feel like they have always been there and nowhere else.

We can abstain from sin led by the Spirit,for the Bible says you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,which you will be tempted,but will not carry it out,and the reason it is easy to abstain from sin is because we keep our mind on the Spirit,and we will not be tempted above measure,and God will find a way to escape the sin,so we do not struggle with temptation to the same degree as the world so it easy for us to bear and beat the temptation,but as long as we are in the flesh we cannot have sinless perfection for we are in the flesh,which means we will have a struggle there,and have the capability to sin if we desire,and under that condition we cannot attain sinless perfection,for sinless perfection would not have any part of them warring against them trying to good by the Spirit as the flesh does.

But that is the point is if there is any part of us that wars against us trying to do good as God wants us to do,and we have the capability to sin if we desire,a choice,then we cannot attain sinless perfection,although a Spirit led life will abstain from sin,but it is not a guarantee that we will always make the choice to want to abstain from sin,all we can do is allow the Spirit to lead us,but we do not know if we will sin in the future for it is not a guaranteed position,although it is if you keep making the choice to be led of the Spirit not wanting sin,but we have the capability to change our mind and sin,for who knows if someone who says we can abstain from sin by the Spirit and preaches it if they will not commit a sin in the future,especially if they have many years on this earth left.

 

[stonesoffire]

Jesus was not talking about being under the law of Moses when referring to those who commit sin as being servants of sin. Neither was Paul talking about the law of Moses when he was speaking of the law of sin and death.

If someone has been made from sin they will not continue to keep on sinning.

not if their minds are on sin and what they must do or not do. That's not freedom.

Question...are you resting wholly on His work and not your own? Do you see that you were sold under sin through Adam, and unless you have one greater than you to redeem you back, you are a goner? Will God our Father acknowledge what we do to stand before Him as pure and Holy? Or will He look to see Himself? Who shall ascend? Clean hands, pure heart...

who has clean hands, pure heart? Only God! True? Or do you think you have? I can boast yes, I do! But, not because of me but because I'm in the One, the only One who does. My job is to allow Holy Spirit to search my heart, shine His light of truth on it as He wills to do, not me searching...and then let Him prune it from my being.

He is the only One with the right to judge. That's true freedom! Also frees us from condemning words of others, and that releases forgiveness in us towards others.

A great way to live. Wish I had known these things long ago.

 

[Grace777x70]

There is a massive difference between church discipline to protect the people and the Lord sending you to hell as can be seen by the letter Paul said to the 1 Corinthians.

Remember these Christians were going to the temple prostitutes for sex, they were creating divisions and strife amongst them, they were taking each other to court, they were "fleshly minded".

Paul did not say " You are all children of the devil, accursed, not born-again, and reprobates".

No, so just what is the proper response those "babes in Christ" - it is not calling them children of the devil, accursed...etc. That is a man-made religion that is based on little knowledge of the gospel of the grace of Christ. This mindset is not from God.

Paul told them who they were in Christ...then corrected their behavior...he didn't say you were all unsaved now or that because they were sinning that they were not born of God like some people try to teach.

( without understanding the new creation in Christ - this "sinning" part will throw people off because they don't understand what is being done by giving in to the flesh and what the new man is Christ really is. )

Paul told them who they were in Christ...Here are 7 things that Paul confirmed as truth in the believers in Corinth before he went on to correct their behavior.


1) The Corinthians have been sanctified in Christ Jesus,

2) The Corinthians were now saints by calling

3) The Corinthians in everything were enriched in Him,

4)The Corinthians had the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in them,

5) The Corinthians hadthat God will also confirm them to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ

6) The Corinthians had that it was by Gods doing that we are in Christ ( Not our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness and holiness )

7) That because the Corinthians were in Christ - Christ Himself became to them wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption


1 Corinthians 1:2-9 (NASB)

[SUP]2 [/SUP] To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

[SUP]3 [/SUP] Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus,

[SUP]5 [/SUP] that in everything you were enriched in Him, in all speech and all knowledge,

[SUP]6 [/SUP] even as the testimony concerning Christ was confirmed in you,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,

[SUP]8 [/SUP] who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[SUP]9 [/SUP] God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,


Preach and teach the grace of Christ as it is the only think that teaches us how to live godly in this world. Titus 2:11-12. The word of His grace is the only thing that is able to build us up and that gives us the inheritance that is ours in Christ. Acts 20:32

 

[stonesoffire]

I just got kicked off the site and lost a whole post! Wonder why? Lol...

 

[stonesoffire]

Jesus was not talking about being under the law of Moses when referring to those who commit sin as being servants of sin. Neither was Paul talking about the law of Moses when he was speaking of the law of sin and death.

Stones:
Jesus was ministering to His own people. I really wish we had teaching from the rabbi's who have been born again and filled with the Spirit, who understand grace. We would understand our roots that we came from. But I digress...

ISIT:
If someone has been made from sin they will not continue to keep on sinning.

Stones:

I will agree that there will be a change able to be seen in one born again. But, babes in Christ. Then begins the work of reconciliation to God through Jesus.

Even though we may not,of understood that we were under the law of sin and death, the whole world was and is. It's the judgement of God on all. Only obedience is recognized by Father, but it's the obedience of believing Him. For He is not a man that He should lie...He's please with our faith and trust that He is good, faithful, His Word is His bond so to speak, and we can put our whole trust in His plan of salvation.

Disobedience is unbelief and if we remain in it, we are not Sons but slaves. I would even go as far as saying that we are no longer sheep, but Sons. Sheep follow...physical Israel. Sons are born of God.

 

[stonesoffire]

If we are led of the Spirit we will be able to abstain from sin,but it is true we cannot attain sinless perfection on earth,because we are in the flesh and in the flesh dwells no good thing,and the Spirit and flesh are contrary to each other,and as long as we have the capability to sin then we cannot attain sinless perfection with the temptation that goes on,and being in the flesh,for the only way we can attain sinless perfection is if there is no way possible we can sin,which means we will not be tempted,and do not even think of sin for it would never be a part of us.

When we are with Jesus we have sinless perfection for there is no way we can ever rebel for it will not be part of us,and the New Jerusalem is a place where sin has never been and sin will never be,and the former earth shall not be remembered,or come to mind,and rebellion will never rear its ugly head again,and the saints will feel like they have always been there and nowhere else.

We can abstain from sin led by the Spirit,for the Bible says you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,which you will be tempted,but will not carry it out,and the reason it is easy to abstain from sin is because we keep our mind on the Spirit,and we will not be tempted above measure,and God will find a way to escape the sin,so we do not struggle with temptation to the same degree as the world so it easy for us to bear and beat the temptation,but as long as we are in the flesh we cannot have sinless perfection for we are in the flesh,which means we will have a struggle there,and have the capability to sin if we desire,and under that condition we cannot attain sinless perfection,for sinless perfection would not have any part of them warring against them trying to good by the Spirit as the flesh does.

But that is the point is if there is any part of us that wars against us trying to do good as God wants us to do,and we have the capability to sin if we desire,a choice,then we cannot attain sinless perfection,although a Spirit led life will abstain from sin,but it is not a guarantee that we will always make the choice to want to abstain from sin,all we can do is allow the Spirit to lead us,but we do not know if we will sin in the future for it is not a guaranteed position,although it is if you keep making the choice to be led of the Spirit not wanting sin,but we have the capability to change our mind and sin,for who knows if someone who says we can abstain from sin by the Spirit and preaches it if they will not commit a sin in the future,especially if they have many years on this earth left.

I think you are on the right path here, and understand much. I would just suggest to you to have the scriptures backing your thoughts.

We can choose. True. Might be a real struggle for some depending. Why I say this is because I believe lust is at the heart of our nature of sin. Or rebellion if you will. We want what we want when we want it.

Gotta go, has been fun!

 

[KJV1611]

Ok Posthuman here is that study on Romans 7,which I wrote about the 2 laws at work, and I'm also going to post Romans 6 in the following post to show you can indeed be set free from the law of sin and death that works in our members.....

I have come across a grave error in my internet travels, and that error is in thinking that the law of God is a curse, and is the same Law as the law of sin and death. But Paul makes clear in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin. So what is the law of sin and death? I compare the law of sin and death to be much like the law of gravity; we are all firstborn under it naturally by reason of Adams original sin.

Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:” As it is also written in Romans 5:19 “For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,” So as it is also written, by nature we were the children of wrath Ephesians 2:3 and as by the judgement of one for sin was unto condemnation Romans 5:16 as the wages of sin is death= being under the law of sin and death.

We know this condemnation of sin was already in the world before the Law of Moses because death already reigned in the world. Romans 5:13 Notice we are told death reigned Romans 5:14“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”

That is an important clue in understanding what it means to be under the law of sin and death. When you are under the law of sin you are a servant of sin, like sin being the Devils desire ruling over you as it is written in Romans 5:21 “That as sin hath reigned unto death…”

People try to use Romans 7 as an excuse for ongoing sin, even saying Paul was still struggling with sin. But one needs to keep in mind what Paul said to his audience in Romans 6:19 [SUP]19 [/SUP]I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh:”

What Paul was showing in Romans 7 was the struggle and enmity between the law of the flesh and the law of the Spirit, these 2 spirits and 2 natures are contrary to one another. Notice in Romans 7 we are shown 2 laws, one is the law of sin and death, the other is the law of God. We already saw in Romans 7:7 that the law of God is not sin, now notice Paul confirms in verse 13 the law of God is not death either.

Romans 7:12-25 "Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

In the above we see the 2 laws (flesh vs. Spirit) warring against one another, but are we to remain in this state of captivity and bondage being under the law of sin and death? Scripture gives us the answer to this as well in Romans 8:1-4 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

What we see in the above is walking after the flesh is serving sin and =being under the law of sin and death. Thus when we are born again of the Spirit we are no longer walking in the lusts of the flesh. Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” So it is the Spirit of Christ (law of the Spirit of Life) that sets us free from the first nature that desires to walk in the flesh and serve sin.

Now some might say this does not mean we are set free from sin and death, just that we are set free from the law of God. But that is not what is being said above by Paul. To what benefit would it be to be only set free from a holy law, and not be set free from sin and death? All that would amount to is a bunch of lawless sinners. Besides that, the Gentiles were never even under the Law of Moses to begin with, so how can you be set free from a law that you were never even under? Makes no sense.

But the law that both Jews and Gentiles are firstborn under, is the law of sin and death. Romans 3:9 “What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;”

So hopefully you will see in this that it is sin you truly need to be set free from by faith in Jesus Christ, because a servant of sin abides not in the house forever. Peace. ​

Isn't this the law of sin and death?

2 Corinthians 3:7 KJV
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Question...are you resting wholly on His work and not your own? Do you see that you were sold under sin through Adam, and unless you have one greater than you to redeem you back, you are a goner? Will God our Father acknowledge what we do to stand before Him as pure and Holy? Or will He look to see Himself? Who shall ascend? Clean hands, pure heart...

Yes I understand how we are born again and made a new creature in Christ and also clothed with Christ's righteous, not our own righteousness. But we still have work to do for Him, every man in his own course of time as was shown in the earthy priesthood, as God also gives us the gifts by the Spirit (talents) and expects us to use those same gifts for to do His will and good pleasure.

Philippians 2:13
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[Persuaded]

That is a good one, me thinks you don't understand....(notice I use the words of God to prove my points)

John 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)


John 20:22
And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:


Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Luke 24:49
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.


Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

I don't think you understand.
I thought of you when I read 2 Timothy 3:7
"Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of truth".

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I agree with that.... the INCORRUPTIBLE word of God IS the DNA of the Christ in us.

Verse 4, 5 and 6 are the reason the man in verse 9 does not commit sin. The man in verse 9 doesn't NOT COMMIT sin because he has stopped coveting, lusting and lying etc. He doesn't commit sin because there is no law against such things in Christ BUT all those things are not expedient for him, but if he does them, he hasn't committed sin. Do you agree with this?

1 John 3:4-10 KJV
[4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
SIN is the transgression of the law, there is no law for the believer. A Christian DOTH NOT commit sin because there is no such thing as sin for a Christian.

[5] And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
He took away our sin by ABOLISHING the law... there is no sin when there is no law.

[6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
He sinneth NOT because he CANT sin, it's impossible.

I want to try to make sure I understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that coveting, stealing and lying are not sin but that they are just not expedient for us?

IF this is what you are thinking, I disagree. Because if you are coveting and desiring what belongs to someone else, you will try to obtain it. This would be not loving your neighbor. For example, King David coveted another mans wife and so he took her. Then, he came up with a twisted plan in his mind for how to do away with the man, to hide his sin from himself. And I imagine he had a scaffolding of fig leaves erected to convince himself he didn't do anything wrong. I can imagine it was something like...put that man on the front line because he is our greatest asset in war and we need him there. Whereas in his hidden thoughts of the heart, he was hoping the man would die so he could cover up what he had done." The human heart is desperately wicked. Who can know it?"

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Isn't this the law of sin and death?

2 Corinthians 3:7 KJV
But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

No, that is the law of Moses. Think about what Paul is saying in Romans 7, the law of sin and death works in our members. The law of Moses does not work in our members. Paul spoke that way about sin being in our members because of the way Jesus described sin in the parable here....

Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."

So Jesus was showing sin in a persons heart/mind/life as like bad body parts or members that need be removed or else. Paul was speaking in the same mystery using the same type language concerning sin working in our members.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I have seen the most ridiculous coveting inside myself. I will go to a store and a salesclerk gives me a pen to write with and it is one of those smooth like butter pens that it doesn't hurt my arthritic hand to write with. And my first thought will be to take the mans pen and act as if I did it on accident so that I can have his pen! This might seem like a silly example, but it really isn't. It is the "small" things that we will laugh about and wink at, but if I don't learn to be upright in heart in small things, would you want to trust me with more important things?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I don't think you understand.

Well everybody has an opinion.

 

[KJV1611]

I want to try to make sure I understand what you are saying here. Are you saying that coveting, stealing and lying are not sin but that they are just not expedient for us?

IF this is what you are thinking, I disagree. Because if you are coveting and desiring what belongs to someone else, you will try to obtain it. This would be not loving your neighbor. For example, King David coveted another mans wife and so he took her. Then, he came up with a twisted plan in his mind for how to do away with the man, to hide his sin from himself. And I imagine he had a scaffolding of fig leaves erected to convince himself he didn't do anything wrong. I can imagine it was something like...put that man on the front line because he is our greatest asset in war and we need him there. Whereas in his hidden thoughts of the heart, he was hoping the man would die so he could cover up what he had done." The human heart is desperately wicked. Who can know it?"

I'm not saying it's not sin, I'm saying it's not sin for us to commit them. Actually I don't say that, Paul says it.

Romans 5:13 KJV
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

 

[KJV1611]

No, that is the law of Moses. Think about what Paul is saying in Romans 7, the law of sin and death works in our members. The law of Moses does not work in our members. Paul spoke that way about sin being in our members because of the way Jesus described sin in the parable here....

Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell."

So Jesus was showing sin in a persons heart/mind/life as like bad body parts or members that need be removed or else. Paul was speaking in the same mystery using the same type language concerning sin working in our members.

Why is it called the minstration of Death? I think you said earlier that God's law was always seen in a good light and never in a death point of view.

Also the "right hand" (salvation) of the Jewish body was Jesus.... not YOUR literal right. Cutting off your right hand won't save you from hell.

 

[Persuaded]

Well everybody has an opinion.

Very true.

CC is full of your opinions.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Why is it called the minstration of Death? I think you said earlier that God's law was always seen in a good light and never in a death point of view.

Also the "right hand" (salvation) of the Jewish body was Jesus.... not YOUR literal right. Cutting off your right hand won't save you from hell.

Because the law condemns sin to death =wage of sin is death. That's why the law is also called the strength of sin, like the Serpent took occasion by using God's commandment in the garden as way to bring on death on mankind. Paul shows the same here.. Romans 7:11 "For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me."

And again, Jesus used the body and removing it's members as way to describe removing sin, as Jesus taught everything in parables.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I'm not saying it's not sin, I'm saying it's not sin for us to commit them. Actually I don't say that, Paul says it.

Romans 5:13 KJV
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

But to be free from the law does not mean to be free from the law of the Spirit in you. It does not mean to be free from the law of loving God and your neighbor as yourself. You can't use Romans to do away with what Jesus said...

The way law works is that one law is made but because of disobedience to one law, more laws have to be written so men cannot find their loopholes to disobey the intent and spirit of the law. And we find this is how it was in the beginning too. God gave one law to Adam and Eve. That one law was disobeyed, which caused an increase of sin and then more laws were written.

This is an awful quagmire, KJV. I don't know where to go with this because it has shocked me a little bit...it is true that if there is no law saying I am not to do something, then no charges can be brought against me for doing it (can't be imputed to me) but will we take that verse in Romans to disregard our Lords' words? This can't be done. I don't even know how to address this error...