Sabbath

[JaumeJ]

Have you never read in the Word how we must labor to enter into His rest?

Read in Matthew where Jesus Christ, inviting us to learn directly from Him says He will give us rest.

He is referring to His teaching being easy, not a heavy burden as that of the jypocrites. You are continueing in the teaching of hypocrites who change this declaration of Jesus to entering into eternal rest in Jesus Christ.

We certainly have peace who believe Jesus Christ, but we also are given many works. Like our Savior said on the Sabbath, we say also. Our Father is working still and so must we. Or are you the exception who does not need to model himself after the Savior, Jesus Christ?

God gives us works, not we, ourselves. As it is written, the fields are ripe for the Harvest, pray for laborers to work that harvest.

If you believe you are entered into eternal rest, stay at home, do not go to work and do not seek to pealse your Savior because you need not show any gratitude for His Sacrifice for sin, mine and yours. Can you not see how foolhearty it is to run around preahig, "Belive as I, and do nothing, because if you do, dyou are affronting God." What lunacy and what ingratitude.

They are the same thing!!!!!!!
That is EXACTLY the point of Hebrews chapter 4!!!!!!!!

 

[JaumeJ]

Why do I hang around this thread?

The subject of this thread has been coming up from time to time whenever someone feels the urge to discuss it.

I have always been there to throw in my little bit of understanding, but I am very pleased with this particular thread, because finally people are sticking to the subject in one thread.

I will epeat as many times necessary what I have to say fr the benefit of any people who are just passing through and those who are new to Jesus Christ. It is a duty of love.

How could I leave other children of the Most High God, our Father, to deav, dumb and blind wolves with no other intent but to feed their own egos with no understanding and who pass on their lack of understanding? I will not.

What I post on the subject is derived soley from the Word by study, prayer, meditation and finally and the only part that will validate any believer, understandign from the Holy Spirit.

Praise God, He is worthy, not th elikes of us..........but He loves us anyway.

 

[JaumeJ]

I must apologize for not including all family members who do the very same..........

This post above is not an apology but an explanation. In the past I have beenchided for "always talking about the ame thing." Truth is worth repeating, and I refer to eternal truths.

 

[JohnTalmid]

If you read the Gospel how Jesus Christ teaches the law, I think you will find, according to what He has fulfilled, the law has been taught in the way of mercy, justice and faith, that is according to Jesus Christ.

Yes, that was part of the law.....keep it all, but Jesus has clarified it. I am afraid many who say Lord, Lord, to Him are not hearing Him.

If they did, obedience would not be something of a question or anything to fear, but as long as those who claim to understand the law think that we should stone offenders to death, they will never understand the mercy they claim to be enjoying.

Believe Jesus christ is the Son of God and you are saved. Believing is doing as He teaches and learning what He teaches..

This applies here to the Sabbath day as well. We have faith in the Messiah I believe. Meaning my soul rejoices in the truth when my soul is comforted by the words shared. I do not hide I keep the Sabbath by not working on it when I do, remember it when I must serve, and apply justice by the knowledge of the word. It is carnal understanding at times that I have come to know later that I usually may correct. Now for example it is not evident to the outward observer that this is even going on. I am talking about something that my Master by mercy, justice, and faith is correcting me. Without the word I would not know Sin yes. Also without the word I would not know Salvation. Also without the word their are no covenants! O No my God does Not change. He also does not slumber and knowing that sin does not looks into your sin in order to deliver you. By Faith, the faith of Messiah we have both life and the prophets, like Moses testified to the Mercy, Justice, and Faith. The Law does testify to Sin folks, the point is not sin anymore but faith, mercy, justice. Also a certain Hope and above all else Love for All your Family Guys, no matter their place should be treated not only as equally but better than yourselves. (Maybe then you will learn to treat yourself better..)

In Love and for your consideration.

If you want to follow Messiah;
Remember the Sabbath day.
It has been said, it is accomplished that we keep the 10 by faith in Messiah.
Well Remember the Sabbath day and don't forget the word says that it is a seal to you. That YHWH knows you and you know Him and bless Yahshua you who where brought close to the covenants and promise by Messiah. Shalom John Talmid

 

[garee]

There are some who would point to Colossians 2:16 as evidence that today the Christian is released by God from observing any holy day what-so-ever, that the 10 Commandments themselves were nailed to the cross.

Hi LoveGodForever,

No one said released they never were binding as far as a moral law.It is a ceremonial law that is still used in ceremonies and therefore not moral laws used to govern the whole world’s morality. Ceremonial laws as shadows pointed ahead .They are carnal ordinances that spoke of the suffering of Christ beforehand and the rest that came from the finished work of Christ’s faith, the Lamb of God slain from the foundation of the word. Before the ten commandments were inspired.

The main reason they cite this verse is to show that there is no need for the "New Testament" Christian to observe the biblical Sabbath day (Saturday), and that anyone who does advocate Sabbath keeping is a legalist and an enemy of salvation by grace alone. Usually though, they do not quote verse 17, and rarely if ever do the explain the relevance of verse 17.

It would seem the main reason is so that you could justify a work of self righteousness. as if there was something we could perform outwardly as evidence we have the Spirit of Christ inwardly rather than walking by the faith of Christ that alone comes from hearing God .

Sabbath laws are not time sensitive. The new era of Sabbath is on the first day of the week .It is a day that God has set aside that a person does not have to do any servile work a day they can brining the gospel according to the true fast.

The passage should be considered as a complete sentence as follows:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Prophetic Shadow Sabbaths

Verse 17 is saying that the sabbath days referred to in verse 16 were "shadows" of things to come. So what does that mean?

It means no one has received their new incorruptible bodies in respect to the eternal rest.

Parables that use shadows as the temporal point ahead to the unseen eternal . There is no work we can perform outwardly that guarantee we have the Holy Spirit inwardly . It why we are not to judge one another in respect to shadows. Our confidence is by faith... all the work is done. Christ is the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the world. Today if you hear his voice and not harden your heart you have entered that rest. The refomation has come will you be a part of it or beleive it has not yet occured?

Which was a parable for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.Heb 9:9


Has the time of reformation come?

You are trying to turn a non time sensitive word into one that has time restraints as if we did walk by sight after some work we could perform .

It does not read as you must assume (below) in order to maintain a self righteous work as a doctrine of men . By faith (beleiving the voice of another) we enter his rest not His Saturday

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his Saturday any of you should seem to come short of Saturday . Heb 4:1 ( the Judaizers paraphrase)

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

We know that Jesus and Paul kept the Sabbath, therefor it might be important.

 

[loveme1]

We know that Jesus and Paul kept the Sabbath, therefor it might be important.

What's more GOD shows mercy to those that Love Him and Keep His Commandments...

a saint is one one that Keeps the Commandments and has the Testimony of the Messiah.

Faith worketh by Love indeed.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi LoveGodForever, No one said released they never were binding as far as a moral law.It is a ceremonial law that is still used in ceremonies and therefore not moral laws used to govern the whole world’s morality. Ceremonial laws as shadows pointed ahead .

Hi garee,

So nice to see you again how are you? Thanks for sharing. I do not however hold your view as biblical. There is a clear difference between God's Law and the ceremonial laws of Moses as was pointed out with the many scriptures already presented in posts 2255; 2256 and others shared throughout this thread.

The 7th Day Sabbath is very much time sensitive. It is based on the seven day creation week in Gen 2:1-3. It is the 7th Day of the creation Week. In this day God ended all His creation and rested on this Day. God made it a Holy day. He made it for mankind. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. It is the "Lord's Day" (Mark 2:27-28). God's Word tells us in Gen 2:1-3 that it is a FINISHED Work so therefore cannot be a shadow of something to come (Unfinished). It was made before the fall of mankind so is not a shadow of the plan of salvation as detailed in the ceremonial laws of Moses that was given to mankind after the fall. It is one of God's 10 commandments. If we break it we are guilty of sin because sin is the transgression or breaking any of God's commandments (1John 3:4; James 2:8-12). Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man. If we follow it in place of the Word of God we are not following God (Matt 15:3;7-11). Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath and commands us to keep His Sabbath as a memorial of creation (Ex 20:8-11). It is a sign that God's people worship the only true God of creation (Eze 20:20). We follow Jesus because we love him. Do you love Jesus garee?

God bless you

 

[Nehemiah6]

We know that Jesus and Paul kept the Sabbath, therefor it might be important.

And we need to also understand why they kept the sabbath BUT DID NOT COMMAND THE CHURCH to do so.

1. According to the Pharisees and lawyers, Jesus was consistently in violation of the sabbath, because He deliberately chose to heal on the sabbath days. What Christ was demonstrating is that the Law of Moses stipulated that doing good works on the sabbath days was perfectly acceptable.

2. Christ proclaimed that He was Lord of the Sabbath, and most Sabbatarians fail to grasp the fact that this was an intimation that eventually the Lord of the Sabbath would make the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) the Christian sabbath. The proof of this will be found in the New Testament, and confirmed by Justin Martyr who born in AD 100 and lived right after the Apostolic Age.

3. Christ could have chosen to rise from the dead on the Sabbath, but instead rose on the first day of the week (which is the morrow after the sabbath) since that day would become the Lord's Day and also the day on which the Holy Spirit would be poured out upon the earth at Pentecost. The significance of the eighth day is that it signifies a new creation, and this has been recognized by many.

4. Paul went to the synagogues throughout the Roman Empire on the sabbath days since his goal was to preach the Gospel to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. He used the sabbath days to propagate the Gospel, not sit around.

5. The 7th day signified that God rested from all His creative works on that day, therefore men must do the same from their daily labor. However, the 8th day signifies that Christ finished His redemptive work on the first day of the week, therefore the Lord's Supper and the Lord's Table are to be observed on that day. It is a day of both worship and rest.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus Christ has taught all to "keep the commandments" Read the Word, pray for direction and understanding of the Holy Spirit.

 

[LoveGodForever]

And we need to also understand why they kept the sabbath BUT DID NOT COMMAND THE CHURCH to do so.

Hi Nehemiah,

Our opinions mean nothing. Only God's Word is important. Sunday Worship is a tradition and teaching of man over the Word of God. If we reject God's Word to follow the teachings of man that makes us an "unbeliever" Not believing God will keep you out of the kingdom.

Mat 15:3; 8-9,
Jesus answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

It not too late to seek and find Jesus through His Word.

Isa 55:6,
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Jesus is calling His true followers to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

God bless

 

[garee]

So nice to see you again how are you? Thanks for sharing. I do not however hold your view as biblical. There is a clear difference between God's Law and the ceremonial laws of Moses as was pointed out with the many scriptures already presented in posts 2255; 2256 and others shared throughout this thread already

.

Same to you...thanks for the reply

Yes a clear difference between ceremonies used only to govern ceremonies and moral laws to govern everything to include
ceremonies.(thou shalt not kill during the cerimony) Ceremonial laws are not subject to change they remain ceremonial .

When Aaron children tried to make a change with un authorized fire they were engulfed in flames.

What you offered does not change a ceremonial law into a moral law. Ceremonial laws govern ceremonies used as shadows. The time of reformation has come over two thousand years ago. The parable in regard to the time of reformation performed what it was intended to do.

You seem to think every thing is Saturday as if the rest of God depended on any day other than today . You have the Lord’s Day in Revelation 1 as Saturday. And not what it is the last day of this present world. Its easy to see the paraphrases like the King James most likely were influenced by the teaching of the Judaizers who changed a non time sensitive word into one that is .”first day of the week” or simply "week" .

Sabbath mean rest with no other meaning added.

Mat 28:1 In the end of the Sabbath(4521 sabbaton {sab'-bat-on}
), as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,(4521 sabbaton {sab'-bat-on})
came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.


Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, (4521 sabbaton {sab'-bat-on})
when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Joh 20:1 The first day of the week(4521 sabbaton {sab'-bat-on}
cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week(4521 sabbaton {sab'-bat-on})
I give tithes of all that I possess


Luke 18:12 I fast twice in the week(4521 sabbaton {sab'-bat-on})
, I give tithes of all that I possess

4521 sabbaton {sab'-bat-on}
of Hebrew origin 07676; TDNT - 7:1,989; n n
AV - sabbath day 37, sabbath 22, week 9; 68
1) the seventh day of each week which was a sacred festival on which the Israelites were required to abstain from all work 1a) the institution of the sabbath, the law for keeping holy every seventh day of the week 1b) a single sabbath, sabbath day 2) seven days, a week


A literal interpretation not changing the meaning of words from rest to a time senitive word .... In the end of the sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the new era of Sabbaths ( not first day of the week) , came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Having finshed the rest on day 7. Day one the new era of Sabbaths ....let their be children of light the new creation and there was.

Sabbath. It is the "Lord's Day" (Mark 2:27-28).

Yes the rest not Saturaday was made for man

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

God's Word tells us in Gen 2:1-3 that it is a FINISHED Work so therefore cannot be a shadow of something to come (Unfinished).

Of course its finished but will not be fulfilled in its entirety until the new heavens and earth appear .all of the saints dies not receiving the full extend of the rest . It why its called faith the living will that moves us to believe Him not seen . Pretending the promise has been fulfilled by hoping in a time sentive word does not mean you have already received the promise. His promises are like the carrot held out in front of the horse our living passion

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Hi Nehemiah,

Our opinions mean nothing. Only God's Word is important.

It is a FACT -- not an opinion -- that nowhere in the New Testament are Christians commanded to observe the Sabbath. Quite the opposite. We are told plainly that the sabbaths, the new moons, and the holy days were mere SHADOWS. The reality is Christ since He is our Sabbath. And why do you deliberately introduce the word "Sunday" into this discussion, but fail to acknowledge THE LORD'S DAY (which is the first day of the week)?

Also this verse from Hebrews 9:10 is pertinent to this discussion: Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is an excellent article addressing "Just what are the commandments of Jesus?"

( Hint: it has nothing to do with following the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament way which was a "shadow" of things to come - but it has everything to do with the true Sabbath rest which is found in Christ Himself )

I like to use this site from time to time as it gives a grace-based view of the finished work of Christ. it also has a place at the bottom where people can ask questions. I have found I have learned much from that area too.

John 14:15 – The Commands of Jesus

If God loves us unconditionally, how do we account for those scriptures that link His love with our obedience, like this one:

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (Jn 14:15)

A legalist reads this backwards: “You will keep my commandments if you love me.”

In other words, we must prove our love for God by doing what He commands.

Commandment-keeping is our duty, a condition we must meet if we are to enjoy His love.

But someone who is walking in grace reads it just as Jesus said it. He understands that keeping His commands is a by-product of love.

Paul explains this in Romans 8:3-4, but let me give you an everyday example inspired by something I read.

"Here in New Zealand we have a big problem with domestic violence. Consequently, there are many laws governing the responsibilities of fathers. Break any of these laws and you might go to jail or have your kids taken away.

It’s a serious business. But to be honest, I couldn’t tell you what these laws are. I’ve never read them. Yet I can confidently declare that I am keeping every one of these laws.

How do I know? Because I love my kids. I don’t keep the laws to show the authorities that I love my kids and I don’t relate to my children on the basis of these laws. I relate to them on the basis of love and keeping the laws of the land flows naturally from that love relationship.

I know the laws serve a good purpose, but they weren’t written for me. They were written for fathers who don’t love their kids."

Similarly, the laws found in the Bible were not written for those who love Jesus (1 Tim 1:9). Contrary to what the legalist may tell you, keeping the laws to earn what He freely offers is a surefire sign that you don’t know the love of God.

A legalist reads the words of Jesus above and sees a threat. Do the commandments or else! But love makes no threats. Jesus is returning for a bride and it won’t be a shotgun wedding.

What are the commands of Jesus?

The next time someone tells you that you must keep the commands of Jesus to prove your love, ask them, “what are the commands of Jesus?”

They will probably respond with the greatest commandment which is, “love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul” (Mt 22:38). This is fine, I guess.

But if you insert that command into the phrase above it becomes, “If you love me, you will love me with all your heart, mind and soul,” which is kind of redundant.

If you read John 14:15 in context, you will see that on this occasion Jesus is referring to two specific commands. Here’s the first:

“A new command I give you: Love one another….” (Jn 13:34)

And here’s the second:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me… Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves” (Jn 14:1,11)

How can we be certain that these are His commandments? Because John – who was there when Jesus spoke these words – says so in one of his letters:

“And this is His command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as He commanded us.” (1 Jn 3:23)

What does it mean to keep His commands?

Lest we dilute His commandments to accommodate our experience, Jesus outlines His expectations of obedience for both. Here’s what He expects from the first:

“As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” (Jn 13:34)

How did Jesus love us? By laying down His life for us (Jn 15:3). That’s a high standard of love! Indeed, there is no greater love. And what are His expectations regarding the second commandment:

“I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these…” (Jn 14:12)

Believe in Jesus and you will do the works of Jesus. Put it altogether and Jesus is saying this:

“If you love me, you will love one another as I have loved you and your faith in me will lead to miracles like I have been doing and greater miracles still.”

If you’ve been in any church for at least five years, you will know that Jesus’ first commandment is pretty much humanly impossible to keep, while the second commandment is definitely impossible.

So the next time someone tries to lay a heavy burden on you by telling you that you must keep Jesus’ commandments to earn God’s love, just ask them how many people they’ve raised from the dead!

When they look puzzled, tell them that Jesus commanded us to believe in Him and He said that those who did would do the same works He did and greater works besides!

Now that we begin to understand what Jesus wasn’t saying – He wasn’t saying that we need to keep His commandments to prove our love – we’re ready to dig deeper into what He was saying.

That’s the subject of the next post. You won’t want to miss it. When you see what Jesus was promising His disciples and you, it’s going to blow you away!

Maybe you’ve been intimidated by John 14:15 and the other new covenant laws. If so, prepare to be set free. When you get a hold of the words of Jesus you’re going to be so pumped that you’ll want to frame them and hang them on your wall. Stay tuned!

Unquote:

Here is the link if anyone wants to look at the questions or to see the next post as he mentioned at the end of the article.

https://escapetoreality.org/2011/06/03/john-14v15/

 

[JaumeJ]

The only text put down in print for all is the Bible. No man is authorized to write down anything about the Bible unless he presents himself to be conversed with.

It would be less than a shadow of the author to read his writings without being able to have a good conversation with him

You know Charlton Heston was selling his own Bible before he died.¿ I never read it, but I am certain if he wrote any of it himself, it is in error...

Here is an excellent article addressing "Just what are the commandments of Jesus?"

( Hint: it has nothing to do with following the Sabbath day as in the Old Testament way which was a "shadow" of things to come - but it has everything to do with the true Sabbath rest which is found in Christ Himself )

I like to use this site from time to time as it gives a grace-based view of the finished work of Christ. it also has a place at the bottom where people can ask questions. I have found I have learned much from that area too.

John 14:15 – The Commands of Jesus

If God loves us unconditionally, how do we account for those scriptures that link His love with our obedience, like this one:

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.” (Jn 14:15)

A legalist reads this backwards: “You will keep my commandments if you love me.”

In other words, we must prove our love for God by doing what He commands.

Commandment-keeping is our duty, a condition we must meet if we are to enjoy His love.

But someone who is walking in grace reads it just as Jesus said it. He understands that keeping His commands is a by-product of love.

Paul explains this in Romans 8:3-4, but let me give you an everyday example inspired by something I read.

"Here in New Zealand we have a big problem with domestic violence. Consequently, there are many laws governing the responsibilities of fathers. Break any of these laws and you might go to jail or have your kids taken away.

It’s a serious business. But to be honest, I couldn’t tell you what these laws are. I’ve never read them. Yet I can confidently declare that I am keeping every one of these laws.

How do I know? Because I love my kids. I don’t keep the laws to show the authorities that I love my kids and I don’t relate to my children on the basis of these laws. I relate to them on the basis of love and keeping the laws of the land flows naturally from that love relationship.

I know the laws serve a good purpose, but they weren’t written for me. They were written for fathers who don’t love their kids."

Similarly, the laws found in the Bible were not written for those who love Jesus (1 Tim 1:9). Contrary to what the legalist may tell you, keeping the laws to earn what He freely offers is a surefire sign that you don’t know the love of God.

A legalist reads the words of Jesus above and sees a threat. Do the commandments or else! But love makes no threats. Jesus is returning for a bride and it won’t be a shotgun wedding.

What are the commands of Jesus?

The next time someone tells you that you must keep the commands of Jesus to prove your love, ask them, “what are the commands of Jesus?”

They will probably respond with the greatest commandment which is, “love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and soul” (Mt 22:38). This is fine, I guess.

But if you insert that command into the phrase above it becomes, “If you love me, you will love me with all your heart, mind and soul,” which is kind of redundant.

If you read John 14:15 in context, you will see that on this occasion Jesus is referring to two specific commands. Here’s the first:

“A new command I give you: Love one another….” (Jn 13:34)

And here’s the second:

“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me… Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves” (Jn 14:1,11)

How can we be certain that these are His commandments? Because John – who was there when Jesus spoke these words – says so in one of his letters:

“And this is His command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as He commanded us.” (1 Jn 3:23)

What does it mean to keep His commands?

Lest we dilute His commandments to accommodate our experience, Jesus outlines His expectations of obedience for both. Here’s what He expects from the first:

“As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” (Jn 13:34)

How did Jesus love us? By laying down His life for us (Jn 15:3). That’s a high standard of love! Indeed, there is no greater love. And what are His expectations regarding the second commandment:

“I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these…” (Jn 14:12)

Believe in Jesus and you will do the works of Jesus. Put it altogether and Jesus is saying this:

“If you love me, you will love one another as I have loved you and your faith in me will lead to miracles like I have been doing and greater miracles still.”

If you’ve been in any church for at least five years, you will know that Jesus’ first commandment is pretty much humanly impossible to keep, while the second commandment is definitely impossible.

So the next time someone tries to lay a heavy burden on you by telling you that you must keep Jesus’ commandments to earn God’s love, just ask them how many people they’ve raised from the dead!

When they look puzzled, tell them that Jesus commanded us to believe in Him and He said that those who did would do the same works He did and greater works besides!

Now that we begin to understand what Jesus wasn’t saying – He wasn’t saying that we need to keep His commandments to prove our love – we’re ready to dig deeper into what He was saying.

That’s the subject of the next post. You won’t want to miss it. When you see what Jesus was promising His disciples and you, it’s going to blow you away!

Maybe you’ve been intimidated by John 14:15 and the other new covenant laws. If so, prepare to be set free. When you get a hold of the words of Jesus you’re going to be so pumped that you’ll want to frame them and hang them on your wall. Stay tuned!

Unquote:

Here is the link if anyone wants to look at the questions or to see the next post as he mentioned at the end of the article.

https://escapetoreality.org/2011/06/03/john-14v15/

 

[unobtrusive]

It is a FACT -- not an opinion -- that nowhere in the New Testament are Christians commanded to observe the Sabbath. Quite the opposite. We are told plainly that the sabbaths, the new moons, and the holy days were mere SHADOWS. The reality is Christ since He is our Sabbath. And why do you deliberately introduce the word "Sunday" into this discussion, but fail to acknowledge THE LORD'S DAY (which is the first day of the week)?

Also this verse from Hebrews 9:10 is pertinent to this discussion: Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

The Feast of Tabernacles will be observed during the millennial reign of Christ after His coming. That feast has 2 Sabbaths, one on the 1st day and another at the end. What will you do during that time if you have the opportunity to participate?

"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the Lord." (Leviticus 23:34 KJV)

"Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the Lord seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath." (Leviticus 23:39 KJV)

"And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16-19 KJV)

 

[Grandpa]

Jesus Christ has taught all to "keep the commandments" Read the Word, pray for direction and understanding of the Holy Spirit.

The Lord didn't teach to work at the law in your own understanding.

Its a BIG distinction that the judaizer doesn't understand and obviously doesn't teach.

Let's look at what the Holy Spirit tries to show the children of disobedience, those who refuse Grace.

Galatians 3:2-3
[FONT=&quot]2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Well the legalist doesn't get it. Their eyes and ears remain closed to the Holy Spirit. Why? I don't know. It's obvious and sad.

Galatians 3:10-12
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[FONT=&quot]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Those who work at the law are under the curse. They are in unbelief. The law is not of faith.

2 Corinthians 3:7-8
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[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Let's refresh our memories... What was written and engraven on stones? The 10 commandments. The law of sin and DEATH.

Romans 8:1-4
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[FONT=&quot]1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


There are only 2 possibilities for not understanding this simplicity that is in Christ, as I see it.

Either you haven't been to Christ to have your eyes and ears opened or you simply refuse the Truth.

Are you so foolish? Having started in the Spirit are you perfected by the flesh?

You have to at least start in the Spirit to even understand what it is Paul is saying.


Are you worried that if you don't observe or follow the law you will be in sin?

Galatians 5:22-23
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[FONT=&quot]22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Don't worry. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. There is no law that can condemn you when you abide in Christ. You are Gods Workmanship when you quit your own work and understanding and come to Him instead.

Next question we should ask is who is it that ACTUALLY keeps commandments, those that work at them in their OWN understanding or those who abide in Christ and are instead the workmanship of God.

Romans 9:30-32
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[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Now we have gentiles trying to emulate the exact error of the ancient hebrews, thinking themselves wise for doing so. I would say go ahead, to each their own. But they are leading others astray in this ancient trap. The way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

1 Corinthians 1:26-31
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[FONT=&quot]26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



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[loveme1]

2 Peter 3

14Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16As also in all hisepistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they doalso the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. 18But grow in grace, and inthe knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.




Peter hits the nail on the head....

 

[JaumeJ]

Grandpa,

Please stop adding thoughts and claims I have not had or made to your posts that a allegedly in response tomine.

You know when you do it, you know what you are saying, but I have no idea why you pervert the meaning of other people's posts.
If it gives you somekind of twisted pleasure to think I believe in working, go ahead and think it, but never post that I have said this because tha wouldmake you a liar and we know the father of lies is teh enemy. Maybe you do not kn ow, but now you have been informed.

We obey God in gratitude for giving us His Son, His Onlhy Begotten Son, as propitiation for the sins of allwho will accept the free gift of His salvation.......afterwards, it is only natural that we obey the One Who is ou Salvation, the Husband of all who believe, and our Heavenly King.

You probably balk at the truth that Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father, God Almighty, Counselor , and much more...He is all of this.

In the Old Testament we often referred to Him as Yahweh. I bet that sends a chill down your spine! Yes, He was called bby all kinds of Hebrew names..........most of those who cannot stomach being brethrenwith Hebrews call those names Jewish, but ignorance will always rear its uneducated head will it not?

So, stop adding to what folks who love God and are grateful to the point of wanting to obey Him as being Under teh Lw, because honestly, you are the law to all to whom you speak........

In conclusion, if I am going to obey orders, I will obey God, and not you... So it is with all who have heard your prattle online.

The Lord didn't teach to work at the law in your own understanding.

Its a BIG distinction that the judaizer doesn't understand and obviously doesn't teach.

Let's look at what the Holy Spirit tries to show the children of disobedience, those who refuse Grace.

Galatians 3:2-3
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Well the legalist doesn't get it. Their eyes and ears remain closed to the Holy Spirit. Why? I don't know. It's obvious and sad.

Galatians 3:10-12

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Those who work at the law are under the curse. They are in unbelief. The law is not of faith.

2 Corinthians 3:7-8

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

Let's refresh our memories... What was written and engraven on stones? The 10 commandments. The law of sin and DEATH.

Romans 8:1-4

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


There are only 2 possibilities for not understanding this simplicity that is in Christ, as I see it.

Either you haven't been to Christ to have your eyes and ears opened or you simply refuse the Truth.

Are you so foolish? Having started in the Spirit are you perfected by the flesh?

You have to at least start in the Spirit to even understand what it is Paul is saying.


Are you worried that if you don't observe or follow the law you will be in sin?

Galatians 5:22-23

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Don't worry. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. There is no law that can condemn you when you abide in Christ. You are Gods Workmanship when you quit your own work and understanding and come to Him instead.

Next question we should ask is who is it that ACTUALLY keeps commandments, those that work at them in their OWN understanding or those who abide in Christ and are instead the workmanship of God.

Romans 9:30-32

30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


Now we have gentiles trying to emulate the exact error of the ancient hebrews, thinking themselves wise for doing so. I would say go ahead, to each their own. But they are leading others astray in this ancient trap. The way that seems right to a man but the end thereof is death.

1 Corinthians 1:26-31

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

[Bogadile]

The law was meant to bring us to Christ, to be our schoolmaster and to inflame sin, as many have stated before.
You cannot mix the old and new covenants! The wineskins will burst.

Mark 2:22 "And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. Instead, new wine is poured into new wineskins."
John 1:17 "For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

If you preach the Law, the Gospel of the Grace of God in Christ Jesus is completely nullified. Because the Gospel is good news, telling someone you must keep the Sabbath or you will perish is not good news.