Does Jesus and Paul contradict each other?
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sorry i didn't mean offend, I didn't know you was a Catholic or are one,
I realise it not kids fault for praying to statues especially when there made to look like angels. The issue I have is separating kids schools into denominations in the first place. I think it's a Joke asking for trouble
Anyhow , it was only like banter whilst playing soccer.
When the catholic kids would pretend to dive and be injured I would say stop acting like Mary .
Sorry about that m.
I never explain things well sometimes.
I was just looking back at my first two mentions of Gods incarnation of his spirit into Mary
I had it right when I just called it the perfect incarnation.
I recalled then when calling it the perfect incarnation from a long distant memory , not to call it something else for a reason.
I couldn't remember what that something else was.
Hence why I called it the perfect incarnation.
Then after having my head got wobbled by the discussion taking place. I called it immaculate conception.
Come to think of it now that's probably what was going through my mind when i first called it the perfect incarnation.
Not that I'm bringing it up again. Or anything, just letting you know m.
Nufan said:
"I can tell you follow the devil." I haven't lied and I don't need to explain anything you.
You don't even know me to make such claims. I do not follow the pope and I am not a Calvinist. That three times you made personal comments about me. Yet you won't even say if you Believe Jesus is God yes or no when asked. Just like most who have loss the debate you call those who disagree with you a devil as if you have any authority to bring such condemnation. Trying to be a school yard bully.
Take your meds guy. You are delusional.
There are different literary styles, levels of complexity and detail, and vocabulary selection strongly suggesting that the various authors’ personalities are evident through the words.
Yeah I’m not sure we ever were I think rather we were before not fully understanding what each other was saying . Discussion is good to resolve that issue
its sad those who enter into deceptive positions.
“Jesus came to correct the Lord of the old testament.”
you seem to have missed “the ordaining of angels “over the Old Testament by the one and only Lord after the people made the calf when Moses was upon Sinai.
It wasn’t a mistake needing to be corrected by a different lord. it was designed by God to this end
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
see mankind has to first acknowledge our own sin , and the condemnation to death it brings man …..before they could ever accept Christ and the gospel which testifies itnis he who died for thier sin . And rose again for thier justification .
whats stops a lot of himans from accepting Jesus is they never actually acknowledge thier own sins and the promise death that sin brings to the sinner.
If that isn’t known who’s going to accept the doctrine of God sending his son to atone for the worlds sin and offer them forgivness and life everlasting by remitting thier sins in Christ Jesus ?
if I don’t know about sin and death which came through and by the law first as it needed to , by his design to restor mankind and then after man is held guilty because of sin then comes the offer of life and atonement to those who already have learned of sin and death we know murder is sin and adultery is sin an idolatry is sin lying is sin ect
and eventually we become guilty in some way without any excuse . It’s only then someone can appreciate and really accept the gospel when we acknowledge our sin and guilt before God then his atonement for us makes sense and can be taken by faith
The law wasn’t a mistake by the lord it was designed as it was to
Lead the world to Christ and the gospel, by imputing thier sins upon them all and later offering atonement for all sin to those who repent and turn to Christ Jesus through the gospel message sent out from Jerusalem
the gospel was always the plan to redeem us but the law was a prerequisite for mankind if we didn’t know sin we could have never known repentance and redemption from the fall
Into good and evil and the corruption in wrought in and upon man
its all one plan but there are different segments ordered as they needed to be the new fulfills the promises in the old for salvation
no you weren't deceived. Over time I have heard many things that 1. I did not know about at the time so I searched the context of the statement and its origin. The key phrases and terminology used by this person was used in the very list of the false teaching of those who attack Paul with what is known as “Pauline Christianity.” they do not believe Jesus is God . So , when I asked him if he did believe Jesus is God he would not say yes or no. That is deceptive. When he finally realized he was exposed he resulted to attack and calling us devils because we disagreed with HIS enlighten revelation. This is also a common thing on CC and other Christian chat sites why?
1. they can remain unknown for the most part. CS1is not my name its my CC name.
2. They light to pray of those who are new and unlearned.
3. its hard to verify ones status : Pastor, bishop etc...
4. many devil worshipers, atheist and Occult come on this site under false pretexts .
5. fear of Identity theft and scams .
Trust but verify.
I wasn't decieved by his heresies no.
But i was decieved by him making out he wanted to change.
I saw four counts of heresesy as soon as he wrote it.
But rather than call it out straight away I didn't because he made me feel as if he was wanting help
After my last attempt telling him how Yahweh came to known for his name and how it came to be, and he still came back with a remark i realised then I was fully being lied to.
I feel cheated. But anyhow I'm over it.
It still won't change me giving others the same help, tho
I think that was the right thing to do for you. the good thing is you realized the deception Praise GOD. I would still pray for him.
“Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.”
1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV
I think a lot of people simply don’t read Paul’s writings so they don’t understand him or who he was or what he preached
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;”
Mark 1:1
“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; and declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: by whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:”
Romans 1:1, 3-6
“After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”
1 Corinthians 15:7-9, 11 KJV
ages one of Jesus apostles preaching the same gospel Jesus began preaching and later revealed to him when he was converted to the church and Christianity and baptized in his name and began to preach that Jesus is the son of God. The same message of the gospel extending forth to all nations… but now through the spirit with more revelation to the believers
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.”
John 16:12-13 KJV
This is why the apostles claimed to be speaking by the spirit and with authority and why we have scriptures until they all passed away . They are just extensions of the gospel preaching a furthered message that Jesus began preaching a more revealed message because now he’s died and rose and they have received the promised spirit so now thier soeaking the things they couldn’t before bear
No.. Because the Law should still be used to convict people of their sin, thus leading them to know of their need for the Atonement of Jesus.. So yeah keep the law as a tool and use it as part of your witnessing for the Gospel efforts..
And seek to do the law in your life, resist as best you can breaking the Law.. Not out of wanting to win eternal life for yourself, but as a way of showing you love for the truth. Seeking to do good and resisting evil.. Of course no one will ever perform up to the level of Perfection.. But we can be better people in our day to day lives.. We can reduce the harm we cause ourselves and others when we fight the good fight against our own flesh nature..