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@eternally-gratefull
ok I think i am starting to believe your words now.
I thought you were the only one talking about baptising with holy spirit is different to water baptism. Someone else is saying the same you said.
so i will have to look deeper into this.
can you please explain more about the differences between the baptisms?
you said there are 3.
please explain more about this holy spirit baptism.
ok I think i am starting to believe your words now.
I thought you were the only one talking about baptising with holy spirit is different to water baptism. Someone else is saying the same you said.
so i will have to look deeper into this.
can you please explain more about the differences between the baptisms?
you said there are 3.
please explain more about this holy spirit baptism.
In using this example, we took the shirt, the object, We take take it and put it into (baptise) the die,
Scripture speaks of baptism. hebrews tells us there is a doctrine of baptisms (plural) So we already see a doctrine of baptism is plural in nature.
Scripture speaks of these baptisms, we have the following examples.
1. Baptism of holy spirit and fire, which would be done by Jesus,
2. Baptism of John, a baptism of repentnace for the new kingdom
3. Baptism of the church, done in water
4. Baptism of the children of Isreal in moses, in the cloud and in the sea.
out of these baptisms, only two deal with water, John and Christian baptism, the 4th one show us the people of Isreal were placed into (Babtised) moses, being the leader of them in the wilderness, God led moses by the cloud and through the red sea.and the children, being in moses, were also led by God. then of course we have the baptism of jesus.
so when we see baptism, how do we interpret it? Many assume once you see the word, it always means water, well we just proved that wrong, so how do we do it?
first we go to matthew.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.[a] 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
from this we see
1, John baptised in water
2. Jesus will baptise with HS and fire.
John uses winnowing fan, which is a fan used to separate wheat from chaff in there day, It is through the baptism of the HS where the separation takes place. Those baptised into the spirit are put into the barn as pure wheat (children of God washed by the blood of Christ, Those left are the chaff, whi9ch will be baptised by Christ into the fire, again terms are important, The fire will never be quenched. Only eternal fire has this characteristic. Many want to interpret this to mean the chaff of our lives. Again this is not true, because that is not an eternal fire which does this.
so what is baptism of the HS. what did baptism represent in Gods plan, the first time we see it is when moses "washed" arron and his sons in the jordan river. It representes they were cleansed and set apart for God.
Peter tells us baptism, Like the waters of the flood, represents that which truely saved us, WHich was accomplished by the ressurection of Christ. again we are cleansed and made clean, or set apart (in the barn)
How is this done?
titus 3:5, Not by works of righteousness (good deeds) which we have done ( water baptism would be a good deed) but he saved us by the WASHING and regeneration of the HS., here is the washing performed by the HS, this is HS Baptism, what happens after this? regeneration. or new life, born again in Christ.
Rom 6. Baptism into death and burial. This can only be done by the HS, Only the HS can baptise us in the death and burial of Christ. Also notice, to prove it is not water, Paul says we WILL BE RAISED as he was raised, Water baptism signifies death burial and ressurection, We have not been baptized into his resurrection yet. Our spiritual baptism is not yet ocmplete, will not be until the ressurection.
Baptise into the body. Again, Only the HS has the power to place us into the body of Christ, No pastor or anyone has the power to forgive sin and make us clean, only God has that power. so only God can place us into the body, and who would want a man to do this? A man is imperfect. if a man can do this, it would not be a perfect this, it would be flawed.
The HS does all the work.
1. Paul and Christ tell us it is the words of the gospel which makes us clean. Who is it that helps us understand the gospel? If the things of God are follishness to us before death, someone must help us understand. Scripture tells us it is the holy spirit who convicts, and helps us understand the gospel. so without the HS we would not have the words which make us clean
The HS places us into the death, burial and body of Christ, these things are what makes us fulfill what Jesus said (you indeed will be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with (the cross) Again, only God can do this!
Finally, Remember when I showed how the children of Isreal were baptized into moses? We are said to be baptized into Christ. Christ is our leader. God sent him, And led him all the way to the cross. And God ressurected Christ (Scripture tells us the HS raised Christ from the dead) So wehn we are baptized, or placed into Christ. Like moses led the children of Isreal through Gods leading. We are led by Christ and all he did.
I wrote this fast as I am short on time, I hope it makes sense, If you have any questions let me know and i will try to explain in more detail if I have to