God or Guns?

[zone]

Have you always been tied to your mothers apron strings?

they were at one time.
Mr. Rothschild didn't like them saying no to central banking.

I thought Americans were proud of their independent spirit?

they were at one time.
Mr. Rothschild got them to say yes to central banking, usury and debt slavery.
it took a civil war and two world wars to seal their fate.

Mission Accomplished.

now, it's on to Iran and Syria and everywhere else that says no to the IMF and World Bank....

 

[tribesman]

they were at one time.
Mr. Rothschild didn't like them saying no to central banking.....

If Cromwell only had thought twice...

 

[GRA]

I wonder why these gun advocate Christians don't read or know about all these bible verses advocating peace and love and most important Jesus

They know all about those verses. (and more... )

That is why they are dedicated to preserving a free society originally built on peace and love - to maintain that cherished freedom - so that their children and others will have a greater opportunity to learn about Jesus.



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[PS]

They know all about those verses. (and more... )

That is why they are dedicated to preserving a free society originally built on peace and love - to maintain that cherished freedom - so that their children and others will have a greater opportunity to learn about Jesus.



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Like in Iraq and Syria? Even when the fighting ends there won't be freedom.

 

[GRA]

I wonder? When the founding fathers wrote the second amendment were they thinking about a rifle/hand gun that could shoot 120 rounds in the time it took to load a black powder rifle?

I am thinking that they were thinking about ensuring that the citizenry had sufficient remedy against tyrannical government...

...by whatever means was available...

To 'keep and bear Arms' was the best-known-available means.

I am thinking that they probably thought that 'better Arms' would have simply been "better protection"...



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[iamsoandso]

There will come a day and we will beat our swords back unto plowshares,,,,,first i think the man of sin will come and the armies will overtake. till then what ever is legal to do is what the lord told us. There is no king over man not set there by god. render due respect to those in authority. i tried to follow the issue from place to place on the www ,,,but i think there may not be an compromise.

There were two men arguing the matter of a gun and i thought to help,trying not to offend them both. I said,"is it not so by the laws you might saw it off so long and it still be legal?" they said "yea 191/4",, i said "saw it off and one who will have the working end take,and to the other the remainder of the barrel". The one who liked the gun said "yea",,but the other said "nay,lest i seek to defend myself and have the end that doesn't work".

You see there's no way to remedy this matter the one feels comfortable in defending himself with the gun. Yet the other feels his best defense is to defend himself by insuring the other has no gun. Both you see are a manner of defense. It should be this simple,you see I'm sure i can outrun a bullet in one direction,but I'm not quite sure about the other.

Milk and Honey these are two beautiful things. If you eat a bean,you cut off a whole generation of bean plants,so you took a life. Or a fish,you must first kill it to eat. No matter what you eat you must slay it to eat. Water falls from the sky,and you can drink. Milk is the food for babies and you do not need take an life to eat. and Honey it is food for whole host,men eat it,and ants, and bears,and bee's and none took an life to eat.,,,,,,,,,,,oh,the land of milk and honey and man beating their swords to plowshares come.

 

[GRA]

Like in Iraq and Syria? Even when the fighting ends there won't be freedom.

One thing needs to be very clearly understood - or this whole thread is rendered completely moot and useless...

The following are completely different:

~ The citizenry - of the united States of America (the people who live here)
~ The government - of the United States of America (the "corporate" entity)

The lower-case 'u' in the first line is "on purpose" - to illustrate "the several sovereign united States of America" - apart from the [corporate] 'United States of America'.

Not to avoid the responsibility of the citizenry to control its government (which some of us do take seriously) - but - it is the government, not the citizenry, that is responsible for doing these things abroad.

The citizenry have lost control of the government.

Many of the citizenry understand that everything our government is doing is not necessary to secure and maintain our freedom in the 'homeland'.

The citizenry is in conflict with its own government.

The 2nd amendment is about protecting and preserving freedom for citizens in the 'homeland'.

This particular thing is what post #363 is about.

Please keep the two separate - the citizenry and the government.

That is what this thread is really about - the difference between - and the conflict between - the citizenry and the government.

The 2nd amendment is designed to give the citizenry "fair advantage"...

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[Graybeard]

I really don't know what the American people are fretting about, you are so much aloud guns, but don't you think letting the public own weapons that belong on the battleground should not be allowed?.....everyone cries "the second amendment"....does that mean that you should be allowed to own your very own nuclear submarine if you wanted....cuz it's kewl?

 

[GRA]

The 2nd amendment is designed to give the citizenry "fair advantage"...

'fair' - it is reasonable for the citizenry to have control over its own government.

'advantage' - the citizenry should always have "the upper hand" in all things pertaining to the government.

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[GRA]

'fair' - it is reasonable for the citizenry to have control over its own government.

'advantage' - the citizenry should always have "the upper hand" in all things pertaining to the government.

The citizenry - collectively, as a whole - not each and every individual citizen separately.

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[Graybeard]

Psa 23:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
Psa 23:2 He makes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside the still waters.
Psa 23:3 He restores my soul; He leads me in the paths of righteousness For His name's sake.
Psa 23:4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
Psa 23:5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; You anoint my head with oil; My cup runs over.
Psa 23:6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life; And I will dwell in the house of the LORD Forever.

 

[GRA]

I really don't know what the American people are fretting about, you are so much aloud guns, but don't you think letting the public own weapons that belong on the battleground should not be allowed?.....everyone cries "the second amendment"....does that mean that you should be allowed to own your very own nuclear submarine if you wanted....cuz it's kewl?

'cuz it's kewl' - No, of course not. But, if that is what it took to keep the government "in check" and give the people "the upper hand" - Yes, absolutely. (I am not saying that this would be the solution - please understand the context and the intent of my statement.)

The 'spirit' of freedom is that the people should control their government, not the other way around...

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[BarlyGurl]

I really don't know what the American people are fretting about, you are so much aloud guns, but don't you think letting the public own weapons that belong on the battleground should not be allowed?.....everyone cries "the second amendment"....does that mean that you should be allowed to own your very own nuclear submarine if you wanted....cuz it's kewl?

This is a Christian Chat forum... RIGHT??? Can you perhaps explain why... you feel compelled to poke fun or ridicule American people??? Aren't we all s'posed to be of "one body"??? " Why thou Puffeth???". I haven't noticed any "fretting"... are you jealous to be the citizenry of a country that hasn't a 2nd amendment?? "Cuz it's kewl" has absolutely NOTHING to do with the motive for keeping weapons... and the allusion is quite absurd.

 

[Graybeard]

This is a Christian Chat forum... RIGHT???
yes
Can you perhaps explain why... you feel compelled to poke fun or ridicule American people???
where did I poke fun or ridicule??
Aren't we all s'posed to be of "one body"???
yes
" Why thou Puffeth???
?? I am/did...where?
". I haven't noticed any "fretting"
okay
... are you jealous to be the citizenry of a country that hasn't a 2nd amendment??
now who is feeling compelled to poke fun and ridicule!
"Cuz it's kewl" has absolutely NOTHING to do with the motive for keeping weapons... and the allusion is quite absurd.

then why fully automatic assault weapons? would you like to have a nuke as well...just asking.

 

[oOfallen_angelOo]

Guns or no guns, we all come to physically die.

Either way-

You can't save your body, but you can save your soul !!

What matters is having the weapon and armor to protect oneself against the devil which God provides.

 

[peterT]

best of luck to you down there.
we're all in the same commie-boat at this point.
better find out what the End Game is.

How are we in a same commie-boat at this point. Zone?

Most of the western world doesn’t have a second amendment and they don’t have guns.

We don’t have the temptation to carry firearms and blow holes in sinners that try to steal our loaves and fishes.

Christians are forgetting the spirit of Christ.

Turn the other cheek.

take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.

Lay down your life for the brethren.

Love your enemies.

Do good to them that hate you.

we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

The greatest commandment is love

This is the spirit of Christ, NOT blowing holes in sinners to protect your STUFF, your rice, or your loaves and fishes.

To go down that path, that’s forgetting the spirit of Christ, and that’s your lamps running low on oil.


And what’s this end game Zone?

You don’t believe in the rise of the antichrist or the great tribulation, so what’s the end game? and dose Jesus come before the end game of after?

 

[Therapon]

More likely the founding fathers needed guns to protect themselves from the native Indians whose land they had invaded and who they then proceeded to kill!

That's a misunderstanding of the true purpose of the 2nd Ammendment. It was given to ebable the comon people to overthrow the governemnt if it ever became tyrannical.

 

[BarlyGurl]

Originally Posted by BarlyGurl

Can you perhaps explain why... you feel compelled to poke fun or ridicule American people???
where did I poke fun or ridicule??
there was absolutely NO intentoin to poke or ridicule in saying "American's might personally own nuclear weapons CUZ ITS KEWL? lumping all Americans into one bucket as opposed to Christians who live in America???
Aren't we all s'posed to be of "one body"???
yes
Glad to have established THAT
" Why thou Puffeth???
?? I am/did...where?
-sigh- nevermind
... are you jealous to be the citizenry of a country that hasn't a 2nd amendment??
now who is feeling compelled to poke fun and ridicule!
It was a question... since your post implied ALL AMERICANS as the same as opposed to Christians who live in America and have the benefit of a second Amendment, which apparently SA doesn't, though I was just making an estimated guess since my world government knowledge quotient isn't that high.If you FEEL poked... double check your conscience... I was asking a question with the motive for clarification... not to ridicule.
"Cuz it's kewl" has absolutely NOTHING to do with the motive for keeping weapons... and the allusion is quite absurd.
then why fully automatic assault weapons? would you like to have a nuke as well...just asking.
the thread is about "Guns or/and GOD". Regarding fully automatic guns... I don't see any reason for how many bullets or how fast they shoot to be worth arguing about... a gun is a gun. Further... I am entirely unaware of any nuclear powered guns available... so nukes are kinda moot too.

 

[PS]

That's a misunderstanding of the true purpose of the 2nd Ammendment. It was given to ebable the comon people to overthrow the governemnt if it ever became tyrannical.

Isn't that what elections are for in a democratic society?

 

[RickyZ]

One thing needs to be very clearly understood - or this whole thread is rendered completely moot and useless...

The following are completely different:

~ The citizenry - of the united States of America (the people who live here)
~ The government - of the United States of America (the "corporate" entity)

The lower-case 'u' in the first line is "on purpose" - to illustrate "the several sovereign united States of America" - apart from the [corporate] 'United States of America'.

Not to avoid the responsibility of the citizenry to control its government (which some of us do take seriously) - but - it is the government, not the citizenry, that is responsible for doing these things abroad.

The citizenry have lost control of the government.

Many of the citizenry understand that everything our government is doing is not necessary to secure and maintain our freedom in the 'homeland'.

The citizenry is in conflict with its own government.

The 2nd amendment is about protecting and preserving freedom for citizens in the 'homeland'.

This particular thing is what post #363 is about.

Please keep the two separate - the citizenry and the government.

That is what this thread is really about - the difference between - and the conflict between - the citizenry and the government.

The 2nd amendment is designed to give the citizenry "fair advantage"...

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I agree. Government of the people, by the people and for the people ceased when the Government came to think of itself AS the people.

Isn't that what elections are for in a democratic society?

Elections are useless when the people have no advocate running for them.