The Trinity

[JLHillsSr]

Expressed in the words of Father, Son, Spirit for those who cannot grasp the attributes and the majesty of one Omnipresent Almighty God.

Seeing as God is spirit (Jn 4.24) God is word (Jn 1.1) Jesus is word (Jn 1.14) Jesus is God (Jn 1.1) Jesus is spirit (Phil 1.19) Jesus is word (Luke 4.4) spirit is word (Eph 6:17)

Jhn 1:1 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 KJV - The same was in the beginning with God.
If you truly look at these verses you can see a succession in honor.
Jhn 1:14 KJV - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
This does not say Jesus is God.
Phl 1:19 KJV - For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
The Spirit of Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Luk 4:4 KJV - And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
How does this equate, Jesus is Word?

 

[PS]

That is not what scripture states....nor is that what logic mandates.

According to scripture Jesus is Yahweh, also according to scripture Jesus is the Son and Yahweh is the Father. You and your diagram say that the Son is not the Father, so how come Jesus is Yahweh?

Please explain your logic and your diagram which prevents God the Son being God the Father when THEY ARE ONE.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

"Jesus" was born of a woman many years after Moses' death. What spoke to Moses was what He is of. The Holy Spirit.

John 8:58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily,I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

[PS]

Jhn 1:1 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 KJV - The same was in the beginning with God.
If you truly look at these verses you can see a succession in honor.
Jhn 1:14 KJV - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
This does not say Jesus is God.
Phl 1:19 KJV - For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
The Spirit of Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Luk 4:4 KJV - And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
How does this equate, Jesus is Word?

Jesus is Yahweh is he not. Jesus is the word is he not. The Bible is the word of God, Jesus is God, the Word of God proceeded out of the mouth of Jesus, it is GODS word and He strengthened and enlarged the commandments in the Sermon on the Mount. The commandments are God given. Jesus is the Word, Jesus is God and lets not forget the Holy Spirit, the three are ONE and cannot be divided or split.

 

[JLHillsSr]

Re: Keep studying...

Fact is, scripture clearly shows that the Father is not The Spirit is not The Son.

Distinction is shown.

Separate, and yet the same...this is the Trinity.This is why we, as humanity, cannot comprehend three entities having one goal. We are all so sure that each of us are the only right one, when there is only one Right One.

Perhaps, if you took some time to study the original languages, this would become crystal clear to you...

This is why we, as humanity, can't comprehend the Trinity. Each one of us thinks we are the only right one, when there is only one Right One.

 

[Earlmayknowornot]

Why are you so confounded with the trinity. Look God is wise ( the Father) God is knowledge ( the Son) and God is prudent (the Holy Spirit) and combined They are Love. God is love and love is wise,knowledge, and prudent. The base is love, one does not act with out the other.

 

[JLHillsSr]

Jesus is Yahweh.

Remember that The Trinity shares the same singular name.

Jesus means Yahweh saves. Does Yahweh save himself?

 

[justamazed]

lol wow.

1. Jesus did not just say before abraham was I am. in the greek he literally said before abraham was. I always existed.
2. I do not know anyone who would think they were here before abraham. thus your example does not begin to answer the question
3. why did you totally ignore the passage I gave you? who was it who spoke to Isreal? if it was not the father or spirit, and not jesus, then who was it?

I did not ignore it but are you honestly looking for answers? God is a Spirit.k

Um. Jesus claimed that before abraham was, he existed.. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

And no, it was not the HS who spoke to moses. it was the God of Isreal. who was sent by the father and his spirit.

[SUP]12 [/SUP]“Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, And My right hand has stretched out the heavens; When I call to them, They stand up together.[SUP]14 [/SUP]“All of you, assemble yourselves, and hear! Who among them has declared these things? The Lord loves him; He shall do His pleasure on Babylon, And His arm shall be against the Chaldeans. [SUP]15 [/SUP]I, even I, have spoken; Yes, I have called him, I have brought him, and his way will prosper. [SUP]16 [/SUP]“Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit
Have sent Me.”

the one speaking can't be the father, or his spirit (the Holy Spirit) it must be Jesus, also knows as the son of God and the Son of man.

Now please think about this....... Where does the AUTHOR Isaiah fit in to this? I do not want to debate this because I know nothing will change in the end. But if Isaiah is the writer, then he is the mediator.

Galatians 3:19-20

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Have you not read that prophesy came not in the old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit?

Was it not the Angel who the LORD sent before the people? This angel had the NAME of the LORD in him. How did God's Angel or Holy Spirit speak to them?

Hebrews 1:1-4

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

 

[PS]

Jhn 1:1 KJV - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Jhn 1:2 KJV - The same was in the beginning with God.
If you truly look at these verses you can see a succession in honor.
Jhn 1:14 KJV - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
This does not say Jesus is God.
Phl 1:19 KJV - For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
The Spirit of Jesus Christ is Jehovah.
Luk 4:4 KJV - And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
How does this equate, Jesus is Word?

I have never seen that before Mr Hills. It has confounded me. Jesus is the Word, HE was there in the Beginning and HE (Jesus) was God.

We acknowledge that Jesus is God but I had never seen it quite like that in John 1.

 

[JLHillsSr]

I have never seen that before Mr Hills. It has confounded me. Jesus is the Word, HE was there in the Beginning and HE (Jesus) was God.

We acknowledge that Jesus is God but I had never seen it quite like that in John 1.

Check this out.

 

[JLHillsSr]

Thank you PS, I see what you say here and I see that Christ was not yet revealed but to me he was and is that tree of life that God gaurded until the day of Christ, and remembber they ate off of the tree of evil. However we got the translation of Good and Evil I do not know. But the tree of evil is evil there is and was never any good in it. For there is only one good and that is God the Father of Jesus the tree of life where today we can eat from as he said this is my blood drink and this is my body eat and recieve eternal life where as before man being made evil from that tree of evil that masquerades as good wihch even day fools man by calling this evil tree as the knowledge of good and evil, giving man the idea that there is some good in mankind and there is not. Only God the Father of Christ is good. So when man finally discovers this truth then man can be set free in and of Christ where Christ through the tree that he hung on cursed that tree of evil and condemned all sin to the flesh giving us the believers life after we finalize the death where we are freed from that evil tree that masquerades as good and the old covenant Law that held us captive to sin but still to this day through flesh efforts of trying to do good man is still hels captive by mixing Law and grace

Gen 3:5 KJV - For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:22 KJV - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

[JLHillsSr]

interesting Frank, And the Holy Ghost wasn't known of till the baptism of John, when he saw a dove descend upon Jesus and heard a voice from heaven this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, John did his job that he was here for and anounced that the israelites Messiah had arrived, John's Job over Then Jesus went out for the devil to try and tempt him. So who was this Holy Ghost, Spirit of truth mind you. Who did Jesus pray to and at the same time when asked where is his witness he said Father whom is in me he who sees him sees Father
Now I know Father can do anything Father wants period Father is by no means limited. Even John the baptist made an interesting statement to those religous leaders of that day how will you vipers escape the coming wrath, God can turn these stones into Jews. So brother God can use a trinity a double or just one. Man fights and argues over God a lot missing truth, that by the death of Christ we are freed from the Law and given the Law of LOVE by God the Father, being freed from the Law by the death frees us to serve Christ by the resurrection our resurrection with Christ here and now by beleif in the finished work of Christ and after coming alive in the Spirit of Christ being freed from the commandment we mary and are one, but until we are freed from the commandment of the Law we can't serve in the newness of the Spirit of truth. For Law kills the letter of, now the Spirit of truth gives life whether you want to call this Christ and or just God okay but I call the Spirit of truth my coupler my quaranteer of my Salvation unto God the Father and God the Son, coupled together by God the Holy Ghost

The dove-like figure was Jehovah revealing himself. He left His Body, momentarily, then returned. The voice from Heaven was The Father. The Holy Spirit did not come until Christ's ascension.

 

[JLHillsSr]

Not exactly true.

Some make it out alive, the ones who worship the Creator as He has revealed Himself, as Triune, as they have eternal LIFE.

The ones who fail to do this have eternal death - they die twice and don't make it out of this world alive.

There is only one that has been promised destruction. LUCIFER.

 

[JLHillsSr]

By Greennice: Reckon these verses, guys


"If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father."

Jesus does the WILL of the father who sent him. So seeing Jesus is seeing what we need see of God.

"I and the Father and one."

From Paul; The one who plants and the one who waters are one, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor. For we are co-workers in God's service; you are our reward, God's building.

He's talking about himself and apollo here. Two people working with the same purpose. They aren't ONE, literally. But they both work towards a common goal with common sights.



That's what I think of it all.

Jhn 14:9 KJV - Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Jehovah is in the Body that His Father created for Him. He looks exactly like the Father.

Jhn 17:11 KJV - And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].

Do you really believe that we are going to be a single entity?

 

[JLHillsSr]

Where does Jesus say in the Greek...'I am not God'...?

Jesus says nothing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I did not ignore it but are you honestly looking for answers? God is a Spirit.k

Who said I am looking for answers? You made claims, i cam calling you out on those claims. You refuse to answer.. silence is louder than words.

Now please think about this....... Where does the AUTHOR Isaiah fit in to this? I do not want to debate this because I know nothing will change in the end. But if Isaiah is the writer, then he is the mediator.

So your saying Isaiah layed the foundations of the earth, stretch forth the heaven, holds them together, ok.. Thanks..

Have you not read that prophesy came not in the old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit?

Was it not the Angel who the LORD sent before the people? This angel had the NAME of the LORD in him. How did God's Angel or Holy Spirit speak to them?

Hebrews 1:1-4

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

and this proves what? you still did not answer any of the questions. try them first.

 

[tribesman]

So your saying Isaiah layed the foundations of the earth, stretch forth the heaven, holds them together, ok.. Thanks..

LOL! You're pretty much addressing the wall here, me thinks. But this one was too good!

 

[JLHillsSr]

Indeed he did....and just as predicted of anyone ignorant of scripture...

explain:
Hbr 10:5 KJV - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:






As a Trinitarian, I would never use a Unitarian translation in order to make my point for the Trinity.

However, Unitarians that use Trinitarian rendered scripture, do so ignorantly, and cannot defend their version of the rendering against the very translation that they posit for their position.






Wrong.









Jesus affirms that He is God in that passage.

There is no rebuke made by Jesus to the individual, only acceptance.






If you deny the Trinity and Jesus' deity, you are definately NOT Christian.

Period.

Jhn 20:17 KJV - Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

 

[justamazed]

Who said I am looking for answers? You made claims, i cam calling you out on those claims. You refuse to answer.. silence is louder than words.




So your saying Isaiah layed the foundations of the earth, stretch forth the heaven, holds them together, ok.. Thanks..



and this proves what? you still did not answer any of the questions. try them first.

See? What's the point in debating when you and your buddies, established in your own self-deception, would rather treat me as though I'm a foolish child? You asked "who said I were looking for answers?" If you don't want answers to your own questions, why then ask them?
Again I ask where does Isaiah fit into all of this considering he wrote the book?

You may continue to believe what you want. God (Father which is Spirit) AND His Holy Spirit (which is ALSO Spirit) sent Jesus (who at the time I guess was ALSO Spirit) to talk through Isaiah???

 

[Bowman]

According to scripture Jesus is Yahweh, also according to scripture Jesus is the Son and Yahweh is the Father. You and your diagram say that the Son is not the Father, so how come Jesus is Yahweh?

The Trinity shield is based on the entirety of scripture.

Jesus, can, and is, Yahweh...and, at the same time, not the Father.

This really is simple logic...

Please explain your logic and your diagram which prevents God the Son being God the Father when THEY ARE ONE.

Look at it like this:

1 = 1

This simplest of equations informs us that what is on the left-hand side of the equals-sign has the same exact value as that on the right-hand side of the equals-sign.

OK so far?

This same equation tells us that while they are equal, they are still NOT each other!

There is still the left-hand-side and there is still the right-hand-side.

Now...place The Son on the left and The Father on the right.

This now tells us that the Son is the exact equivalent of the Father...BUT....the Son is NOT the Father!!!

Gnaw on that for awhile...