Not exactly the case. It does say in the bible that the first miracle Jesus performed was to change water into wine (choice) at the request of his mother. Seriously now, how many weddings that you have attended where grape juice was the beverage of choice of the wedding guests? Perhaps it was Welch's grape juice that Jesus made but that is not specified clearly in scripture.
Jesus and Wine
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The point is Jason that just posting other blogs or threads doing the same thing we are doing here does not add proof to the situation. It is just a bunch more people giving their own opinions just like we are.
If you want to prove something, post actual credible sites that have in depth scriptural study on the issue at hand. That means more than a bunch more opinions.
K
Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Leviticus 10:9 - Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations:
( Here he tells them they are only forbidden to drink before they go into the tabernacle. )
Psalm 104:15 And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart.
Judges 13:7 - But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean [thing]: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.
Jeremiah 35:5-8 - And I set before the sons of the house of the Rechabites pots full of wine, and cups, and I said unto them, Drink ye wine.
Isaiah 55:1 - Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.
Proverbs 31:6 - Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
1 Peter 4:3 - For the time past of [our] life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
T
Personal responsibility is key. Some people here don't seem to understand that line of reasoning. Yes, we're called to love, serve etc. our neighbour, but we're not called to make their decisions for them, to live their life for them. That's taking things too far. That's not freedom in Christ. We need to be accountable for our own actions.
I didn't threaten anyone, the bible did, please don't mislead people from what the bible teaches in attempt to support your drinking, you can read it for yourself but you won't so I will post it for you :
1 Corinthians 6:10 (NKJV)
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Now if you can direct me to the verse where Jesus tells you at how many beers, wine, etc... that one can have before He considers you "drunk" I would love to see it, until you produce that verse you chance you know, can tell by feel, and lead people to think they or you can with no biblical support...
Don't tell me I have no biblical support, I have plenty (even just given you one) that support abstinence, you on the other hand are the one that cannot provide biblical support, but only opinion at what point our Lord calls you drunk!
1 Corinthians 6:10 (NKJV)
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
Now if you can direct me to the verse where Jesus tells you at how many beers, wine, etc... that one can have before He considers you "drunk" I would love to see it, until you produce that verse you chance you know, can tell by feel, and lead people to think they or you can with no biblical support...
Don't tell me I have no biblical support, I have plenty (even just given you one) that support abstinence, you on the other hand are the one that cannot provide biblical support, but only opinion at what point our Lord calls you drunk!
you use the English word and don't know what "gluttony" is, do a study on 'φάγος', you will find it is a ferocious eater, one who does not share, will have his fill while leaving others hungry, it is not a fat person as you portray (and most fault of that is the translators of many English translations, they do the same).
S
Drunkards...a harsh word, sounds like some real bad characters them drunkards, ganged up with some thieves, extortioners etc...I don't know about you, Sir, but I do not believe that the Lord would consider a person drinking a beer or a glass of wine a drunkard...and...judging from your Bible reading I'd rather not steal anymore of your time...you might could find me to be a thief...