reneweddaybyday – Post 2201
Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
After you heard, you believed.
After you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again)
brightfame52 – Post #2231
Eph 1:13 is describing the regenerated person being brought to faith !
reneweddaybyday – Post 2268
Nope. The verse clearly states that after a person hears, they believe and after a person believes, they are sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (regenerated).
You are suggesting the verse reads that a person is sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise (regenerated) before they hear/believe and, clearly, that is not how the verse is written.
Your manipulation of Scripture fails.
brightfame52 – Post #2302
one must be made alive spiritually to hear
reneweddaybyday – Post 2341
just more of your "one must be born again in order to believe that through which a person is born again" dogma
You're saying that Ephesians 1:13 applies to the believer after he/she is born again????
Ephesians 1:13 In whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
After you heard, you believed.
After you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (regenerated / born again)
There is no spiritual hearing without being born of God.
You are trying to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma ... that is not proper interpretation of Scripture.
The verse clearly states that one is sealed with that holy Spirit of promise (which means to be born again) after he/she believes.
You have the verse backwards because you hold to your dogma rather than hold to Scripture. You are to hold to Scripture and where your dogma does not line up, let go of your error.
that is not how the verse is written. You again manipulate the text in order to force Scripture to align with your erroneous dogma. tsk, tsk ... such poor workmanship. Your manipulation again fails.
to be "regenerated, or born of God" is to be sealed with the holy Spirit of promise.
Its simple, Eph 1:13 is about the regenerate elect
The verse specifically states that the sealing of the Holy Spirit of promise (which is to be born again) occurred after believing ... not before as your erroneous dogma insists.
You are again promoting more of your "born again in order to believe that through which a person is born again" dogma ... under your erroneous dogma how many times must a person be born again before they are really, truly, really, really, really, scout's honor born again???
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