It is finished.

[homwardbound]

Then believing is a work if you believe it Is an act of man ?

I never said it was an act of man, For belief is beleif either one does or they do not
You have never answered to us who is Jesus Christ? and if you have please answer here again
Thanks in advance for your answer.

 

[kardiaoangelous]

Its a yes or no ? so yes or no

Re: It is finished.

Originally Posted by homwardbound

so tell us how does one get saved? or are all already saved?



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You insist on your own interpretation of "it is finished" rather than letting the scriptures tell what was finished.

And you give that false impression that grace alone saves us through faith in that grace.

John 8:39b ".... Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

John 15:24 "If I had not done among them the works which none other man did [thus showing us what to do, 1 Peter 2:21-25], they [would] had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father [by refusing to believe to the doing of my works]."

Acts 15:11,18 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. .... Known unto God are all his [Jesus'] works from the beginning of the world."

Verse 18 is but one of the many we often misapply, failing to comprehend the context.

 

[homwardbound]

I am not talking about those who are in Christ. However one who is not in Christ and not born again, and is only a natural man, they cannot please God, and that means they cannot believe or have faith since Faith Pleases God !

Thanks speaking clearer and what you just said is truth and agree

 

[homwardbound]

I always thought that when Jesus said "It is finished" he meant his work of earth was complete. All that was written in the prophets about him was fulfilled and he was both the "sacrificial lamb" and the “passover lamb” whereby his people are freed from the consequences of sin.

Blessings.

to be appreciated not taken advantage of as many do not caring as what the Corinthians did tookadavantage and is why Paul wrote to them in 1Cor.
So I think it important to realize this forgiveness is not an escape to doas we just please,which is what flesh does and acts good when no flesh is, and this is why by the death, burial and resurrection we are to be born again of the Spirit of God
Hebrews 2:3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

Which I hope no one here is doing and if they are I hope for a change of mind
Thanks for your post ps

 

[kardiaoangelous]

It is true we are saved by grace through faith But, the result of that is good works.

Wrong!!!

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are saved by faith which works by love (produces the works of God's love which we see Christ always doing) and that only possible because of grace. Galatians 5:6 "For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."

Romans 12:9 "Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good."

Grace only gives us the opportunity. A working faith that closely walks in Christ's footsteps is what saves us.

 

[homwardbound]

Why are you all so focused on pleasing God? If God really wanted to be pleased, by our works, then why'd He sent Christ? Why did God have to send Christ to pay for the total remission of sin, when all He really wanted was for us to please Him? If you want to please God, then try going into religion. Religion's all abut that, you know, the works and deeds. But don't bring works into Christianity. It's not a religion, it's a faith. Why call yourself a "Christian" when it's all about your works, and not Christ's? Find an explanation for that, and a good one, then, I myself will offer works to God and completely ignore the fact that Christ did what I couldn't do. Have a good day. God bless.

it is not offering works to God, ours, ours are not righteous at all even if it appears that way, works of God are an after effect of Faith as Noah who has Faith, trusted in God did as God asked by Faith and built the Ark as God had said to, and Sister it had never rained yet. Now if Noah had not done the works by Faith first then Noah's Faith would have been dead. Now all The Saints have works of God follow the Faith in God. So to say Faith alone would be no Faith at all. It is having proper discernment in whether or not Faith produces works or works produces Faith
James 2:18But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
The above is true, just a lot have not interpreted correctly, by flesh wanting all the credit or at least a portion, works of God through one that is born again is just a fact, that is what I am talking about
We don't just sit in a home and take advantage of this amazing salvation no we respond to it, in thankfulness and get busy working so we do not have time to steal. We start loving our spouses so we don't have time for Adultery. We start the new life as you have so well said many times, but we do go to work in thanking God, praising God and hearing God and thus doing as God says in our own hearts as all The Saints have done prooven by their works of God living through them and this was shown by Jesus perfectly to us to trust God as he did via the Holy ghost whom he sent to us, if we do believe

 

[Grandpa]

The concept that we don't have to do anything because that would be works is pure error.

When the Bible says it is not of works it means not of works done apart from the grace of God. Simply put, man cannot be saved in rejecting the will of God and turning to his own methodology, whether it be "law" or some other means.

Satan wants people to believe that "not of works" means "do nothing and God will do it all." It is not true, men must submit and yield and access the grace of God via a working obedient faith.

Jesus stated very clearly that it is the DOERS of the word that will inherit the kingdom.

You were doing so well...

Jesus never taught that God would do it for you. God leads and we follow. Following is doing, obedience, yielding, submission, abiding, walking in the light etc.

Don't be deceived by those who would twist "not of works" into "do nothing and wait for God to make you do it."

God won't be mocked and if we sow to the Spirit (do according to God's lead) we will inherit eternal life, if we sow to the flesh we will reap corruption.

God leaves the choice of who we serve up to us.

Jesus said "You have not because you ask not". Jesus said "Without me you can do nothing".

The Lord was teaching both. You must do (ask) and He will perform. If you don't have faith that He will perform what you ask when it is His Will, what do you have?

A person has to be careful when they say God won't do it for you, because that is exactly what He does. You can't make your own self righteous before God.

 

[homwardbound]

Tell me this. If your works could save you, then why do you need Christ? I don't get it with all of you. You say one thing, yet do the complete opposite. Remember Christ. Don't forget what God started. From the beginning of the Bible, till the very end, God spoke of Christ. From the Book of Genesis all the way to the Book of Revelation, God shows us how Christ will, did, and have saved us and pay for the total remission of sin. Don't forget why you call yourself a Christian. And don't make a mockery out of Christianity. Christianity is for the lost, the poor at heart, the sinful,the outcasts, and the ones with the guts to admit that. If you won't admit it, then just walk away. But don't mess with His Word.

works Sister again are a by-product of Faith in Christ. how can you not see this. are you saying we being born again by Faith in Christ at the cross do nothing or do we respond to what God wants us to do?
Are you thinking that we need works to be saved? We do not need works to be saved, but in response to God and oin thankfullness one does works with no expectations in return

 

[homwardbound]

Your definition of "works" and God's definition of it are two totally different thins altogether. Your works aren't for saving. You've already been saved, through Christ's finished work, but you have the choice to accept that salvation, or not. I give my works to worship Him. To tell the world of His greatness. Like right now. I'm working. Writing this. But not so I can get saved. Learn the difference between the two. They're a different ball-game altogether. Don't mix it up.

And fruit? That's the outcome of the Holy Spirit entering into our lives. The fruit of the Spirit. Love, joy, peace, etc.

how do you get this information that this is what is being said here. I think you might be reading into it? You decide the post you posted to does not say it is by works that we are saved it says works is a by product of Faith a response to God in thankfulness for this free gift he gave us
The post you posted to

Originally Posted by Laodicea

Works are the fruit the result of Christ in us.
Romans 6:22 KJV
(22) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
God's Holiness that he instilled into us by faith

 

[homwardbound]

Remember the time we're living in. The dispensation of Grace, not Law. Law requires works. Grace requires faith. Belief. We are no longer subject to the Law. But, to grace.

WE know or at least i know it is by Faioth in Christ alone and others have said the same here who are you saying does not beleive this, who are orwaht are you fighting against,we are here to helpone another grow,and all anyone of can ever do is water and or plant, yet it is God that gives the increase not man's arguements,watch out Sis forflesh to gain control and be adamnent please

 

[homwardbound]

No. Before Christ's death it was the Law. They had to sacrifice the animals for the atonement of sin, according to the Law. And I agree 100%. The Law is not evil. It was the Law that made us realize we were and are sinners. It was the Law that brought Christ. I agree with you.

No Sister the promise of Faith was given to Abraham 430 years before law of Moses was ever put in place
Hebrews 13:8Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
The law covenant was to show ones inability to waht is right by God without Faith in God. For Abraham was counted righteous by his Faith without works, yet works followed he did as God said, which is proof of his trusting God ands what god forbade Abraham to dogod did himself with his own Son.
Sister you are missing something againif Abraham had not done as God said then Faith in god would have never been confirmed

 

[homwardbound]

No. Before Christ's death it was the Law. They had to sacrifice the animals for the atonement of sin, according to the Law. And I agree 100%. The Law is not evil. It was the Law that made us realize we were and are sinners. It was the Law that brought Christ. I agree with you.

and 430 years before the Law it was Faith in God shown by Abraham, and it has always been this way

 

[homwardbound]

Are you trying to put words into God's mouth? Because the Bible says so. More importantly, God says so. Now tell me, who should I believe? You, the creation, or Him, the creator? Yeah, that's what I thought. God bless.

so truth comes out and you are in thought that you got it all together and have no more need to learn from God listen to your own heart Sister and watch out for when I think i know, means I probably don't for arrogance ahs a way of creeping in and all anyone is doing is putting out scripture for you to discern between god any you not scorn it, what is it you are afraid of. I remember when I did not believe that God att he cross took away all my sins and thought that I ahdto get forgiveness ovewr and over never finalizing the cross and how I retorted against, against others that were telling me that there is no more forgiveness from God to be executed that it is finished. Then i was cahllenged to find anywhere in the New Testament after the death of Christ to find any scripture that states there is ongoing forgiveness from God. You know sister I never found it. So I today know it is finished and now am a responder to God by works of God in place of what I was an initiator. trying to God the creator to respond to me by waht I was doing, then I realised God is not going to respond to me by what I do or don't do, because if God did then that would make me God of God if God was to ever respond to me or anyone
God is the creatorwe are the responders and in response we do God's work through us by God doing it, we just being the vessels to be used by God thats all, this simple

 

[homwardbound]

This is your answer
John 3:16 KJV
(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Revelation 3:20 KJV
(20) Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Christ's death made it possible for all to receive forgiveness if they come to Christ.
1 John 1:9 KJV
(9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

and once we respond as in believe this we recieve the forgiveness of sins provided at the cross and it is finished in us we are freed from condemantion made right with God born again anbd wroship in Spirit and truth

 

[homwardbound]

We have free choice, we can choose to accept salvation and freedom from sin or we can choose to continue a life of sin. God will not choose for us we must choose for ourselves.

so once we have chosen and believew God that God while we were yet sinners died for us we recieve the total forgiveness of sins and are freed to walk inthe light as he is in the light. Now if we do not understand this purge of sin consciousness and we if we do sin we ahve an advocate
1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
It does not say we need more forgiveness it says we have Jesus Christ as our advocate

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, Elizabeth you do and if you continue trying to teach what you have yet to learn your heart will harden i share this by my own experience one must eat lots of humble pie.

I consider the Amplified Bible is fueling much of what you are offering us.

We are all here to learn together regardless of age, if you set that zeal for the Glory of God and His Truth then wonderful and so be it.

thank you Loveme1, thank you Sister

 

[homwardbound]

You insist on your own interpretation of "it is finished" rather than letting the scriptures tell what was finished.

And you give that false impression that grace alone saves us through faith in that grace.

John 8:39b ".... Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

John 15:24 "If I had not done among them the works which none other man did [thus showing us what to do, 1 Peter 2:21-25], they [would] had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father [by refusing to believe to the doing of my works]."

Acts 15:11,18 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. .... Known unto God are all his [Jesus'] works from the beginning of the world."

Verse 18 is but one of the many we often misapply, failing to comprehend the context.

I still to this day do not get how you mis interpret meexceptmaybe by your own predujice of some bad experience that you had. Works are a by-product of Faith in Christ nad owrks true ones can't be produced without Faith. It is by faith in the finshed work of Christ that Christ did proof in the resurrection and by beleif in this is not taking advantage of. Without Faith works will not follow as in what Abraham did Faith was first and works followed, God's works through him by the Spirit of God. Faith has always come first, so what is it I am saying that you are misunderstanding, please point out exactly what it is

 

[svedbygrace]

ps

They CAN please God when they accept Jesus into their life

No they can't, you flat out deny the scripture. Rom 8:8


So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[homwardbound]

You insist on your own interpretation of "it is finished" rather than letting the scriptures tell what was finished.

And you give that false impression that grace alone saves us through faith in that grace.

John 8:39b ".... Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father."

John 15:24 "If I had not done among them the works which none other man did [thus showing us what to do, 1 Peter 2:21-25], they [would] had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father [by refusing to believe to the doing of my works]."

Acts 15:11,18 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. .... Known unto God are all his [Jesus'] works from the beginning of the world."

Verse 18 is but one of the many we often misapply, failing to comprehend the context.

I believe through the grace and have said nothing differant to my knowledge

 

[svedbygrace]

homw

I never said it was an act of man

It does not matter, because it [Belief]is an act of man whether you admit it or not !