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The first statement is a strawmen..

NO ONE SAYS THAT!

The second is a flat out lie.

The rest is a fire to burn your fake straw man.

The last bold statement, shows your lack of understanding.

.THOSE WHO ARE SLAVES TO SIN NEVER MADE IT INTO THE HEAVENLY HOME, they will be destroyed in this earth and were never adopted into God's family.


How do you think people get adopted into God's family?

What is the Gospel you believe in?
Amen to that.....
 
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So i spent an awesome three hours just now and wanted to share!

It's amazing how wonderful God is and how He works in our lives still.

Today was the last day of Wonderful Wednesday until the fall. Every week one of our members cooks a meal for 70-100 people with the help of 5 or more volunteers. Then we have about 7-8 cleanup staff afterwards but everyone does their part.

Meal starts at 5:15 with all the new folks going up front, birthdays, anniversaries get to go in the front of the line. Then announcements and prayers. It really makes you feel like part of a community and the food and deserts are awesome. First wednesday a month is potluck and we get like 15 different deserts and sides.

The kitchen staff sometimes make to go boxes for the shut ins and homeless in the neighborhood. So it's an awesome ministry and I am so glad we have the support from everyone in the church.

So the program tonight was Canine Angels and the guy trains service dogs for disabled vets, fire fighters and children. He gives the dogs to them for free and operates totally on donations. He had 13 dogs on stage as he talked and they sat for the most part. Only one of the new dogs walked off stage but went back when called. He says he rescues all the dogs from the pound (sentenced to be put to death because they were misdiagnosed as dangerous or violent or untrainable) or found them on the side of the road.

It was awesome to see him talk and work with the dogs and you could see that God had blessed him with a ministry.

After the program, we went to pack bags of food to go into the backpacks of Stephen's ministry. This program started with prayer jars in the classrooms of a local elementary school and a group of moms meeting each week to pray over the teachers request.

One week a request said "please pray for a student,he doesn't have food at home."

One of the moms brought food and gave it to,the teacher to give to,the student...

Now it's in all the schools and over 500 backpacks go home each week with the kids.

The community has really stepped up and donated food, money, building space, time and love.

So yeah this day will be one of the precious gems I treasure.

Just wanted to praise God and share with y'all.

God bless and keep you!
 
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Here is the whole history of osas (eternal security).
God wrapped Himself in human flesh. Was born of a virgin woman. Conceived by the Holy Spirit. Suffered. Was crucified. Died. Was buried. God the Father raised Him from the grave, according to the Scriptures.
I have confessed with my mouth, and believe in my heart. The Holy Spirit lives in me, and has SEALED me. Jesus has said to me He will NEVER leave me nor forsake me. I believe Him. I am eternally secure.

WON'T YOU JOIN ME?
Amen...Jesus was clear...I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU NOR FORSAKE YOU and he said he would FINISH WHAT HE STARTED....those who deny eternal security are suspect in the very least concerning salvation.....
 
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Amen! Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door. :)
Amen Dan.....absolute truth....whatsoever God does is everlasting...nothing added nor taken away....end of story
 
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i believe no matter what you proclaim
if you die a sinful person

youre hell bound

dunno what list that puts me on

(._.')
The Holy Spirit convinces and convicts the world of sin BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME Jesus said....the debt of sin has been forever SETTLED IN CHRIST and is not an issue for one who has exercised faith into the finished work of Christ...our sin has been nailed to the cross and the righteousness of Christ put to our account!
 
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Did I miss something?

Where does it say you lose eternal life?
It doesn't.....another man made Catholic dogma designed to keep the ignorant and unlearned bound to the false state religion of works.....
 
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When you STOP believing in the name of Jesus.

BELIEVE is present tense. One must believe till the end to be saved.
More lies....If we believe not, he ABIDES FAITHFUL BECAUSE HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF....IT IS HIS FAITH that saves us..

For by grace are you saved by faith, and that NOT OF YOURSELVES, IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD, NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST..

that NOT OF YOURSELVES IS DIRECTED AT THE FAITH THAT SAVES!
 
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It does not say that, Why would you add to the word of God.

Phil 1: 6. for I am confident of this very thing, That he who BEGAN A GOOD WORK IN YOu WILL PERFECT/COMPLETE it's UNTIL THE DAY OF CHRIST.


where does it say only if we remain in faith. Why would Paul preach. Having confidence in self and our ability to stay in faith, and not faith in God? When Paul spoke volumes of words apposed to having confidence in self.

Bro...we both know he embellishes, just as all workers for do....either embellish, twist or deny.....
 
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So are you saying those that have a difference in doctrine to you are not saved?
The doctrine that you believe as stated above.
At the end of the day there is only 1 (one) correct message of salvation....to embellish or diminish equates to a false gospel with no power to save....Galatians makes it crystal clear that to embellish faith with works to get, keep or maintain salvation is a false, double cursed gospel of a different kind with no power to save...those who believe such are equated to fools and bewitched by Paul who was inspired by God to pen what was penned!
 

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Yes. We need daily salvation until the day we die.

Unless you believe in OSAS which is not biblical.
Okay daily forgiveness maybe but not daily salvation. Let me explain. Salvation is a one time repentance of the believer. Forgiveness is a daily renewal of mercy. When a person comes to know Messiah he\she is responsible for the condition of their heart. If you have done a sin it is firmly in the believers power to repent of that sin by not doing it again once they realize it was sin. They have no need to be forgiven again because they where once and for all. The truth is not easy to grasp. If I fail at one point of the instruction of God and later find what I did I can repent, ( agree with Gods holy command) and try not to break it again. If I fail no worry's because Messiah already took the punishment for my error so I can fail and try again and again.

Your flesh has been hit hard with this truth, violation of the law, ( instruction) is sin. Are we to think that keeping the law of God is going to gain us salvation? No Are we to do the word and not be just hearer's of it? Yes.

To sat we have nothing to do with our salvation looks like a car going down the road without putting gas in it. It Doesn't go far. Same with salvation. Salvation without your works of sanctification is not going anywhere. The believer that does nothing of the law of God is foolish to think God so loved them that he sent his son into the world to be a light to only find that they cover up that light and say its too hard to do so just believe. Common where is your faith. Don't say I believe so I'm saved because even the demons believe God is one but many prove that don't fear God by not obeying his word or do proper repentance or they would be healed.
 
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Have you seen a kangaroo yet?

I was going to go in college,but my mom was worried I would catch the bird flu so I went to Australia instead.
Sure....all over the place...have seen like 150 hahah and as close as 5 feet ;)
 
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its funny though. I don't think Jesus says shut up as such. Not today anyway.

For me though he does say it but not with those words.

Goodness knows how many times God has said to me when he is trying to talk me when I'm not listening, something like this/

"Bill just quiet your mind, lets talk, now what part of what I am trying to talk to you about do you not get? Let's talk it out, you wanna talk.

How can I say no? I can't
Sure he did...BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM GOD ;)
 

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I have used scripture....sorry if your blind to it....let me try again..works do not save, keep saved or maintain salvation....salvation is by faith thru grace and is a free GIFT....works or grace..not both...one or the other!
You must have made your own scripture. Can you check in your own scripture that if someone who has faith ALONE to save him and believes in OSAS then commits suicide, are still saved. Just asking pal because I can't find it in any bible translations. Hope you could show me a verse even in YOUR OWN scripture/INTERPRETATION. Thanks
 
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some folks actually perceive that if one exercises their ability to obey Jesus from heart purity is a human works based salvation? Even boasting in such matters...Zecharias and Eilsbeth could do this, and it wasn't boasting. All glory to God is a righteous man/woman's boast..
 
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You must have made your own scripture. Can you check in your own scripture that if someone who has faith ALONE to save him and believes in OSAS then commits suicide, are still saved. Just asking pal because I can't find it in any bible translations. Hope you could show me a verse even in YOUR OWN scripture/INTERPRETATION. Thanks
I need not prove anything to one who does not even understand biblical salvation PAL....The only sin not covered and dealt with is unbelief...go read what the Holy Spirit convinces and convicts of when it comes to sin....and just to show how how much you miss the mark...

Samson

a. Killed himself by suicide
b. Asked for the strength from God to do it and to avenge himself upon the Philistines
c. Killed 7000 Philistines in the process

NO MATTER how you twist, reject and or deny the bible does not teach the loss of salvation....and if it can be lost NO ONE is saved because to break one of the least of the commandments of GOD makes one guilty of the whole....so...to quantify sins into a nice little box or two so as to justify the loss of salvation reeks of ignorance....PAL!
 

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I need not prove anything to one who does not even understand biblical salvation PAL....The only sin not covered and dealt with is unbelief...go read what the Holy Spirit convinces and convicts of when it comes to sin....and just to show how how much you miss the mark...

Samson

a. Killed himself by suicide
b. Asked for the strength from God to do it and to avenge himself upon the Philistines
c. Killed 7000 Philistines in the process

NO MATTER how you twist, reject and or deny the bible does not teach the loss of salvation....and if it can be lost NO ONE is saved because to break one of the least of the commandments of GOD makes one guilty of the whole....so...to quantify sins into a nice little box or two so as to justify the loss of salvation reeks of ignorance....PAL!
So your sin is unbelief. Because you reject rightousness so God rejects your faith without works. Very simple
 
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some folks actually perceive that if one exercises their ability to obey Jesus from heart purity is a human works based salvation? Even boasting in such matters...Zecharias and Eilsbeth could do this, and it wasn't boasting. All glory to God is a righteous man/woman's boast..
Some folks also teach a false sinless perfectionist view while tying works to faith for salvation....both views are false....and I have seen both from you spongebob......
 
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So your sin is unbelief. Because you reject rightousness so God rejects your faith without works. Very simple
You should have the facts before you speak and look so foolish and to be quite frank this statement reeks of ignorance concerning what I actually believe