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@Butterflyyy, I think this is perhaps the second post that I have written to you. I have enjoyed reading many of your posts, and overall, hands down, they are well written and demonstrate that you have been blessed with a great deal of discernment. I am also praying in agreement with you and our Brothers and Sisters for your precious son, Elijah. I understand how heartbreaking the situation has been, and no doubt the anguish that has gone with it. I hope and pray that The Lord will continue to bless you both, and that Elijah will be saved and used for His glory.
That said, I hope that you won't mind that I weigh in on this current post of yours. I have not read Jackie Pullinger's book. In fact, I really don't read any books but the Bible. However, I did spend a great deal of time researching the Pentecostal movement for a few years, after first having been challenged by a particular salvation testimony of a Sister that professed to have been gifted with speaking in tongues, but my findings proved that there is something terrible wrong with the Pentecostal Movement as a whole, and have come to agree that their version of "speaking in tongues" (as a whole) is not of God, but originates with what is known as Vulcan Magic and what is known as Kundalini.
Furthermore, in addition to their teaching a "works salvation" and also teaching that people can lose their salvation, I also observed many times where they would wrest the scriptures, such as the case to allow for women to be Pastors, of which is most unBiblical, as well as in defense of the aforementioned erroneous doctrines. Moreover, I have also witnessed many fumble on the Biblical doctrine of hell, among other things. There were some other not so pleasant experiences that I personally had with some Pentecostals, and although I did not allow for them to be any weight or bearing against "speaking in tongues", they did however factor into the conclusion that it's not cracked up as they make it out to be. I have heard numerous other testimonies from Christians that claim out of Pentecostalism, that have independently identified it as being Kundalini, which was separate and independent from my own research, and those also were factored in.
Then there's the likes of Benny Hinn who preached and PRESENTED an "invisible Jesus" (See Matthew 24 & 2Corinthians 11) from the stage, and I can post that video clip later; And then there's the likes of Kenneth Copeland, who is a Freemason and blasphemously preaches "another Jesus", and went as far as to blasphemously teach that "god can be a man or a woman", as he has indoctrinated his deceived with Luciferien doctrine that they are all "little gods", of which was also accepted by the Crouch Family, Joyce Meyers, and numerous others on T.B.N.
There is much more that could be elaborated upon, including the deceptions of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, but let's pause for a moment and consider the millions of people that have followed after the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement. Most, if not all profess to "speak in other tongues", yet T.B.N., Daystar, and S.B.N.; All three Pentecotal Networks broadcast into over 200 some odd nations world-wide; They have to hire Professional Translators to translate their English Broadcasts into several hundred different languages by mouth and written word. NONE of those people have "the gift of speaking in other tongues", but instead are College Graduates that have had to been taught by men, not God, but men to be able to read, write, and speak in other languages, then after they have mastered the languages, they are then hired by the likes of these International Networks to do all of the translating work, that NONE of them could do. Not even any of the millions of people that claim to "speak in tongues". That is the opposite as what was accomplished by The Lord via the Biblical Pentecost.
Last, but not least, and I should have included this in one of the above paragraphs, but another important observation is how they speak in what they know to be, and claim to be unknown tongues in the Churches in direct disobedience to what is written and outlined by Apostle Paul in 1Corithinthians 12-14. I wanted to post chapter 14 from the King James Bible, but hopefully many will choose to read it. While I have desired to know, and have prayerfully sought The Lord on this topic, as I mentioned, I have yet to meet anyone that genuinely speaks in other tongues, and I have also not witnessed the protocols being used of where an interpreter has been used to translate an unknown tongue. If I were to have witnessed such an even on T.B.N., Daystar, or S.B.N., then I would have to ponder if it was just as scripted as Benny Hinn's, and others like him that are fake healers. But even with all of this said, I am curious as to what "fruit" that you have personally witnessed from "speaking in tongues" that has proven to truly be good?
That said, I hope that you won't mind that I weigh in on this current post of yours. I have not read Jackie Pullinger's book. In fact, I really don't read any books but the Bible. However, I did spend a great deal of time researching the Pentecostal movement for a few years, after first having been challenged by a particular salvation testimony of a Sister that professed to have been gifted with speaking in tongues, but my findings proved that there is something terrible wrong with the Pentecostal Movement as a whole, and have come to agree that their version of "speaking in tongues" (as a whole) is not of God, but originates with what is known as Vulcan Magic and what is known as Kundalini.
Furthermore, in addition to their teaching a "works salvation" and also teaching that people can lose their salvation, I also observed many times where they would wrest the scriptures, such as the case to allow for women to be Pastors, of which is most unBiblical, as well as in defense of the aforementioned erroneous doctrines. Moreover, I have also witnessed many fumble on the Biblical doctrine of hell, among other things. There were some other not so pleasant experiences that I personally had with some Pentecostals, and although I did not allow for them to be any weight or bearing against "speaking in tongues", they did however factor into the conclusion that it's not cracked up as they make it out to be. I have heard numerous other testimonies from Christians that claim out of Pentecostalism, that have independently identified it as being Kundalini, which was separate and independent from my own research, and those also were factored in.
Then there's the likes of Benny Hinn who preached and PRESENTED an "invisible Jesus" (See Matthew 24 & 2Corinthians 11) from the stage, and I can post that video clip later; And then there's the likes of Kenneth Copeland, who is a Freemason and blasphemously preaches "another Jesus", and went as far as to blasphemously teach that "god can be a man or a woman", as he has indoctrinated his deceived with Luciferien doctrine that they are all "little gods", of which was also accepted by the Crouch Family, Joyce Meyers, and numerous others on T.B.N.
There is much more that could be elaborated upon, including the deceptions of Jimmy Swaggart Ministries, but let's pause for a moment and consider the millions of people that have followed after the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement. Most, if not all profess to "speak in other tongues", yet T.B.N., Daystar, and S.B.N.; All three Pentecotal Networks broadcast into over 200 some odd nations world-wide; They have to hire Professional Translators to translate their English Broadcasts into several hundred different languages by mouth and written word. NONE of those people have "the gift of speaking in other tongues", but instead are College Graduates that have had to been taught by men, not God, but men to be able to read, write, and speak in other languages, then after they have mastered the languages, they are then hired by the likes of these International Networks to do all of the translating work, that NONE of them could do. Not even any of the millions of people that claim to "speak in tongues". That is the opposite as what was accomplished by The Lord via the Biblical Pentecost.
Last, but not least, and I should have included this in one of the above paragraphs, but another important observation is how they speak in what they know to be, and claim to be unknown tongues in the Churches in direct disobedience to what is written and outlined by Apostle Paul in 1Corithinthians 12-14. I wanted to post chapter 14 from the King James Bible, but hopefully many will choose to read it. While I have desired to know, and have prayerfully sought The Lord on this topic, as I mentioned, I have yet to meet anyone that genuinely speaks in other tongues, and I have also not witnessed the protocols being used of where an interpreter has been used to translate an unknown tongue. If I were to have witnessed such an even on T.B.N., Daystar, or S.B.N., then I would have to ponder if it was just as scripted as Benny Hinn's, and others like him that are fake healers. But even with all of this said, I am curious as to what "fruit" that you have personally witnessed from "speaking in tongues" that has proven to truly be good?
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We do know it’s not a reference to the tongues like fire that fell on the apostles at Pentecost. They were no where near baptized by it and it completely rejects the surrounding verses about gathering the chaff and burning it.
Matthew 3:7-12
New American Standard Bible
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Matthew 3:7-12
New American Standard Bible
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham. 10 The axe is already laid at the root of the trees; therefore every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 “As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 12 His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
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GOD's Peace and Tranquility in HIS CREATION!
Believe me, I KNOW! About a YEAR after I was first saved, Two of my sister-inlaws accused me of leading they sister (my wife) astray.
So I told them give me 6 month's to study it out, and I would present what I believe, to them in a Bible Study format. The Truth be KNOWN, I was kinda wanting to believe their tongues were real, because my wife had come to the conclusion that Modern Day tongues were a counterfeit, AND I WAS HOPING TO PROVE HERE WRONG. I READ LOTS ON Tongues and modern day tongues, that I could find. Tongues was the real McCoy with a capitol T, and I differentiated by using tongues, with a little t was the counterfeit. About 6 weeks into the 6 month study, I proved my wife was absolutely RIGHT, it truly was a counterfeit. So I continued to study for until the 5.5 more months cut of, and then I put a pen to the PAPER. I intensely studied from Sources from the NON-CHARISMATIC SIDE, with all kinds of media and books. Believe me, I was sick studying nothing but TONGUES, by the time I finished. BUT I THOROUGHLY KNEW THE SUBJECT OF TONGUES, by the time I finished. NO, my sister-inlaws, did not believe a thing I wrote, but others have. So it was all worth while. The link is on the last Post I wrote to Bill, if you want to read it, but I do not check that thread, to discourage, charismatics that just want to argue. I have heard their arguments at list a thousand times before. Our family get together's were a disaster. Those two ended up yelling at me during one Sunday Lunch, and I was embarrassed for them. And they were clear across the table, most of the family did not want to hear it. How embarrassing!
Believe me, I KNOW! About a YEAR after I was first saved, Two of my sister-inlaws accused me of leading they sister (my wife) astray.
So I told them give me 6 month's to study it out, and I would present what I believe, to them in a Bible Study format. The Truth be KNOWN, I was kinda wanting to believe their tongues were real, because my wife had come to the conclusion that Modern Day tongues were a counterfeit, AND I WAS HOPING TO PROVE HERE WRONG. I READ LOTS ON Tongues and modern day tongues, that I could find. Tongues was the real McCoy with a capitol T, and I differentiated by using tongues, with a little t was the counterfeit. About 6 weeks into the 6 month study, I proved my wife was absolutely RIGHT, it truly was a counterfeit. So I continued to study for until the 5.5 more months cut of, and then I put a pen to the PAPER. I intensely studied from Sources from the NON-CHARISMATIC SIDE, with all kinds of media and books. Believe me, I was sick studying nothing but TONGUES, by the time I finished. BUT I THOROUGHLY KNEW THE SUBJECT OF TONGUES, by the time I finished. NO, my sister-inlaws, did not believe a thing I wrote, but others have. So it was all worth while. The link is on the last Post I wrote to Bill, if you want to read it, but I do not check that thread, to discourage, charismatics that just want to argue. I have heard their arguments at list a thousand times before. Our family get together's were a disaster. Those two ended up yelling at me during one Sunday Lunch, and I was embarrassed for them. And they were clear across the table, most of the family did not want to hear it. How embarrassing!
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Welcome back Star 
It's good to see you posting again, for I truly appreciate your passion for the Truth. I'm sorry to hear of your husband's recurring bladder cancer, and pray he fully recovers this time. My surgery mid-August was also for cancer; the operating room was booked for 7 hours! However, the surgery itself only took just under 4 hours, though apparently such major surgery can go much longer, and in my post-op with the surgeon last week, he told me I was cured. I have posted about it a couple of times in Jerry's Midnight Confessions thread in the singles forum, and also in Speak Your Mind. I pray for a speedy recovery for your husband, peace of mind for you, comfort in the presence of God, and great happiness in your new home.
Here are the posts I made detailing some of my experiences of late:
Post Number One ~ Post Number Two ~ Post Number Three
Each is a bit lengthy
It's good to see you posting again, for I truly appreciate your passion for the Truth. I'm sorry to hear of your husband's recurring bladder cancer, and pray he fully recovers this time. My surgery mid-August was also for cancer; the operating room was booked for 7 hours! However, the surgery itself only took just under 4 hours, though apparently such major surgery can go much longer, and in my post-op with the surgeon last week, he told me I was cured. I have posted about it a couple of times in Jerry's Midnight Confessions thread in the singles forum, and also in Speak Your Mind. I pray for a speedy recovery for your husband, peace of mind for you, comfort in the presence of God, and great happiness in your new home.Here are the posts I made detailing some of my experiences of late:
Post Number One ~ Post Number Two ~ Post Number Three
Each is a bit lengthy
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John 4:10 (HCSB)
10 Jesus answered, “If you knew the gift of God, and who is saying to you, ‘Give Me a drink,’ you would ask Him, and He would give you living water.”
Revelation 7:17 (ESV)
17 For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
Jews consider LIVING WATER to be a running Stream or A Fresh Water Spring.
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Zechariah 14:16-17 (ESV)
16 Then everyone who survives of all the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Booths.
17 And if any of the families of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, there will be no rain on them.
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