THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

dcontroversal · Feb 27, 2014

Yeah I have heard that before, but don't buy it. The seals are man's wrath upon man and the world wide peace that is found between the 1st and 2nd seal has not taken place as of yet, which throws a monkey wrench into the seals covering the last 2ooo years...I agree the wrath (orge) of God begins at the 7th trump which also has two other events listed...

1. Day of the Lord commences with Jesus seizing control of all earthly kingdoms as Lord
2. The Day of Christ commences with the resurrection/change a/k/a rapture and rewarding of the saints and the prophets as Jesus is Christ
3. The Day of God commences with the (orge) of God being poured out without mixture upon the unbelievers and kingdom of the beast as Jesus is also God.

1 day--->three different aspects as Jesus is Lord, Christ and God

Peace Out Brother Hoffco

watcher2013 · Feb 27, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Do you think, Someone is helping Jesus in Heaven?

There will be no night in heaven. WHy can;t you see this

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O I can see clearly, because In Isaiah Jerusalem the light is EVERLASTING
Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

lol. So there is sin in heaven.

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Does Satan still have access in Heaven? If yes..then there is still a possibility of Sin...There was war in Heaven, right (Rev 12)...If not, then There is no Sin in Heaven...

John vision of New Jerusalem was while it was on EARTH...so I do not understand why you keep pulling it back in Heaven?

Ok. we are done. I am not sure why you are so against their being a future kingdom of God here on this earth, which Christ ruling with a rod of Iron. And after that kingdom, THEN the new jerusalem comes after the final judgment

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I am not against Christ rule on earth...

Yahshua · Feb 27, 2014

Elin said:

Technically my interpretation is not "private" as this is a public forum and all are free to read how I've come to my conclusions (seeing how my interpretation is built on *many* certain verses as a foundation) to determine for themselves its truth or error...and then when the public confirms that interpretation, it's definitely no longer private...but such is neither here nor there at this point, Elin.

My flesh tells me to continue to argue with you...but my spirit is screaming to leave it alone saying "there would be no gain; no edification." And the proof of this is in the last portion of your reply, where you judge something you've not heard before as "bizarre" and imply I'm losing my grip. To me it seems we're more focused on arguing than on learning something new and possibly gaining more understanding with prophecies such as this, sister; not that I have all of the answers, but when we all come together with our pieces we gain new insight into the deep things of God. But such is impossible to do when we're trying to win arguments.

1 Corinthians 2:6-14

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Christ said "The kingdom of God is like a treasure hidden in a field", which indirectly implies that those who remain on the surface of that field will never find it; they can't possibly find it without digging. Many Christians believe that simply by "standing in the field" they already possess this treasure with no work required to receive it, while other Christians don't want to dig because they feel there's no need to "disturb the land" and risk "ruining how everything currently looks" (if you catch my meaning). But we have to dig deep...and we have to keep digging because that's what proves our royalty.

Proverbs 25:2

2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Matthew 7:7

7"Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8"For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened

This is a promise Christ gave, using the words "will" and "shall". So if we seek to know how these things fit together, it'll take us venturing past the obvious/surface...and when we do our king promised us that we *will* get what we seek.

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For instance, when I first came across the dietary requirement to eat "clean" animals in my early years as a Christian I thought nothing of it. I passed it off as "OT" and not necessarily relevant for me today (like we're all told to do by the Christian majority). On the surface, it's simply a dietary restriction. But as I began digging deeper into scripture, literally asking God to reveal more truth to me, the reason why "clean" animals were *required* started to become clearer and I saw that it had spiritual implications beyond simply being dietary laws for this flesh...but to most, its implications are hidden; a prophetic riddle that seemingly isn't required to know.

On the surface, dietary laws concerning "clean" animals doesn't seem relevant at all to the topic of this thread: The Bride of Christ...But the reason why those that "split the hoof" and "chew the cud (rumination)" are called "clean" animals is because those animals specifically prophesy the plan of God.

From their very first moment of creation their nature proclaimed God's blueprint for his kingdom. "Splitting the hoof" speaks about the "split-work" of God (like cutting the animal pairs in half during his covenant with Abraham in Gen 15), while "chewing the cud" speaks about the act of ascending and descending required for that "split-work" to be accomplished (like the dream of Jacob's ladder prophesied in Gen 28:10, and Christ statement to Phillip in John 1:51).

Revelations like these are not readily available to us because we have to prove we're *worthy* to know them (by digging)...and we also have to *ask* God to reveal understanding ("ye have not because ye ask not"; James 4:2). We have to ascend past the "milk" to get the "meat" and then descend back down again to understand the symbols & shadow pictures.

God's kingdom is his bride. God's bride is his kingdom.

And God's plan for his kingdom is outlined as "2 works" divided into "3 stages": The 1st work, the 2nd work, and then the 1st work repeated...or another way of looking at it is "the 1st work is split by the 2nd work". But even me explaining this is not enough for others to fully understand it because - again - one must dig for oneself and ask God to reveal it. We must be given eyes to see.

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Yahshua · Feb 27, 2014

----continued from Pt1----

The Plan of God is...
1st work | 2nd work | 1st work

And this plan is proclaimed over and over and over and over and over and over again throughout scripture, and especially proclaimed in the holy relationship between a husband and a wife (in fulfillment of Romans 1:20).

Question: How does a father create children?
Answer: By splitting his bride in Holy union (also called "marriage"). This Holy work births new life.

Bride (half) | Husband's body | Bride (half)

The world eagerly awaits the manifestation of the God's children...but in order for that to occur the full plan of God must be accomplished: Marriage Consummation/Union (2 works divided into 3 stages). First the bride's work (with Christ descended; in flesh)...then the body's work in the middle breaching/splitting the bride (with Christ ascended; in spirit)...then the bride's work again (with Christ descending; in flesh).

God promised Abraham (the man of faith) many children, so he cut a (marriage) covenant with him:

Animal halves | Lord’s passing in the middle | Animal halves

After Abraham cut the pieces, the Lord then passed between the halves as a "burning torch" (male symbol) and "smoking oven" (female symbol)...symbolizing future "sons" and "daughters" of faith.

Then in my first post on this thread, I spoke about Jacob/Israel having two wives: his "1st bride" Leah (had weak eyes) and "2nd bride" Rachel (who birth his favorite children) was given last as well as birthed last. But as a prophecy of the plan of God in Christ, it would've been more accurate if I called them "1st bride half" and "2nd bride half"; that *both* Leah and Rachel prophetically represent The Bride, who was split in half by Christ and his work.

Leah | Israel's Work | Rachel
Bride (kingdom) | Christ work | Bride (kingdom)

And for another example, recall the seemingly "out of place" scene of Judah's twin sons being birthed in a strange way (Gen 38:27-30). It was out of place because the entire narrative was about Joseph until that chapter. Notice that Perez splits the birth of Zerah. Zerah means "(sun)light" while Perez means "breaker/breach".

Zerah (light) | Perez (breach) | Zerah (light)

(...and Christ was from the line of Perez; Matt 1:3)

Then there's Zechariah 4 speaking the same plan of God, only this time the vision is literally called "'The Word of God' to Zerubabbel (to "seed of Babylon"). Zech is told the same 2-work / 3-stage plan of God to establish his kingdom on earth, saying "Not by power (conquering) or might (force) but by my Spirit...Zerubabbel laid the foundation and his hands will finish it." Again two similar olive trees are split by a lamp stand; the same marriage symbol.

Bride (half) | Husband's body | Bride (half)
Olive Tree | Lamp Stand | Olive Tree

(Christ is called "the light of the world", and so is his body)

Zechariah then continues with vision after vision of the same plan. In Zechariah 4:14, The Lord of the earth splits the two Anointings:

The Anointed standing by | The Lord of Earth | The Anointed standing by

(Christ is The Lord of the Earth)

This is even confirmed because many in the Body of Christ continue to expectantly await the 2nd outpouring of the Holy Spirit anointing because on the whole we can't perform them like the early apostles did)...but it's the olive trees that produce the "Anointing Oil", not the Lamp Stand in the middle. Then we have...

Zechariah 5:6-9 - Wickedness splits the two women with wings
woman w/wings | “wickedness” | woman w/wings

("Wickedness" is taken to "shinar", which means "Babylon", like in Revelation; Mystery Babylon
Also in Revelation 12, the woman of Light is given "wings")

Zechariah 6:1 - War Chariots split the bronze mountains
bronze mountain | war chariots | bronze mountains

In revelation, it's Christ (the one who's in the middle in several of these visions) who looses the seals of the 4 horsemen. While in Daniel 2, the "mountain" prophetically represents God's "government", hence God's government / The Kingdom is split by the tribulation of war, famine, sickness & death.

There are even other events sprinkled throughout scripture - including many in Christ's own ministry - that continue to testify to the plan of God.

Exodus 25:22 - God's glory split the cherubs
Cherub | God's glory/light | Cherub

(...and Christ is called the glory of God)

2 Kings 2:11 - Fiery Chariots from heaven split both who would have the same spirit.
Elijah | Fiery Chariots | Elisha

(...then there are those chariots again; again in the middle, the same as above)

Luke 23:32 - Christ was crucified in the middle of the two thieves
Thief | Christ Crucified | Thief

Mark 10:35-40 - Christ speaks of his right and left being prepared by God
disciple on his right | Christ seated | disciple on his left

And there are even more than this sprinkled all throughout scripture. By aligning each of these events & visions by their common pattern, one's able to see layer upon layer of God's plan in order to understand "why" certain events have transpired as they have in recent biblical history...it's no different than the diligent study Daniel put forth to figure out the timing of Israel's exile.

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The plan of God is to establish his kingdom by begetting his children, and that plan entails splitting his bride in half, which - in the spiritual - means God's 1st work (the bride) must be split by God's 2nd work (the Body of Christ).

Stage 1: The bridegroom descended to establish the kingdom of God (his bride), who's recognized as his assembly (i.e. his Apostles and disciples who followed him in Spirit and Truth). The kingdom of God - his bride - was truly here, both John the baptist testified to it as well as did Christ on several occasions. When Paul wrote about it in Ephesians 5:31 he was writing to these people in this group...but Paul also began writing about those entering in who were "not of us"...

Stage 2: Then the kingdom of God was breached. There was a break, where the original way was corrupted by paganism. The manifested power of the Holy Spirit (which was always a sign of the kingdom/bride) began waining away, and man established "institutions" around the truth to "lord" over others; taking the kingdom by force. This led to wickedness, wars and persecution of all those who refused to accept doctrines over the faith once delivered to the saints. But at the same time the bread of salvation was still offered to the gentiles/nations (albeit with "leaven" in it). The time of the gentiles begins...claiming the scriptures as their own (in effect, trampling the "courtyard"). This is the body of Christ, who's work it is to be "crucified" (i.e. body broken in thousands of denominations) to reconcile the world to God. This is why the body of Christ - as it is today - is not the bride. It is Christ's body.

Stage 3: But there's coming a time when the time of the Gentiles must end, and the work must revert back to the original way. Where all of the "wickedness" (leaven) must be purged, and the unleavened bread of the gospel will be preached. This is when the 2nd outpouring of the Holy Spirit (olive tree) will fall on people leading to the 2nd advent of Christ. Once this stage begins, the Marriage Consummation (which Daniel confirms happens at the "end" of days) will be complete. Then the Children of God will be birthed (i.e. resurrected and transformed into light [Zerah/Rachel]).

The bride | The Body of Christ | The bride

This is what has been revealed to me ins study.

Elin · Feb 27, 2014

Yahshua said:

None of that deals with the simple certain and unequivocal NT teaching that

1) the church is the body of Christ now (Eph 1:22-23, 4:12; 1Co 12:27; Col 1:18, 24);

2) the church is the wife and bride (Rev 21:9) of Christ the Lamb (Jn 1:29) now (Eph 5:31-32).

You are dividing and separating what God has joined.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 27, 2014

dcontroversal said:

not a point of argument but just a thought.

God poured his wrath on Israel by using gentile nations against her. so we see in all of the things, God using men to fight each other and cause mass destruction, this could be seen as part of Gods wrath.

dcontroversal · Feb 27, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

I agree that God used the nations to punish Israel and the Southern Kingdom of Judah, but personally I see something different with what is coming based upon the following....

1. God's wrath is poured out upon the (destroyer) Apollyon, Abaddon a/k/a the beast and his kingdom<---7th trump
2. God's wrath is poured out upon those who are actively destroying the earth<---7th trump
3. It is the wrath of God...void of any men or agency of man (military)

I believe Daniel gives the timeline....30 days of peace (false) 1260 days of tribulation, 45 days of wrath...I also believe that the first half of Daniels 70th week was fulfilled during the ministry of Jesus when he went and sent his disciples unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was their moment of grace...they rejected and will be whittled down by the tribulation period which purifies Israel and the Lord's churches as we have been grafted into the faith of Abraham.

The Great Tribulation...Seals 1-6
1. False peace and security 30 days
2. Peace taken from earth<---WW3
3-4 Results of said war<---disease, famine, death, beasts of the earth cut loose upon humanity
5 Murder of Christian believers for refusal to fall in line under the kingdom of the beast (dragon)
6 Sun, moon and stars affected as Christian influence wanes, falters and fails with the death of Christians and or apostasy by those claiming to be Christian
7th seal initiates the 7 trumps of God

Concerning 6 above...I have come to the following conclusions based upon my own study and research....

1. Sun is representative of Jesus

2. Moon is representative of the Lord's church<--goes thru all stages from new moon (new church) to a full blown Christian witness (full moon) and everything in between as well as the truth that a church just as the moon begins to wane and loose its light to eventually go dark (dark of the moon after third quarter)...the church reflects the light of Jesus onto a world that lies in darkness.

3. Stars represent the saved children of God and the light that they produce is indicative of our witness...some are bright and burning, some are barely a twinkle, stars die each day and stars are born each day.

As the world fades to darkness and as the Christian witness (light) is wiped out the sun, moon and stars begin to loose their light, go dark and finally fall from the heaven when the resurrection/change takes place at the 7th trump as God will remove all vestige of Christian witness.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2014

Elin said:

Elin....Do you believe local visible assemblies (churches) and or One big Universal Church?

eternally-gratefull · Feb 28, 2014

dcontroversal said:

I agree that God used the nations to punish Israel and the Southern Kingdom of Judah, but personally I see something different with what is coming based upon the following....

1. God's wrath is poured out upon the (destroyer) Apollyon, Abaddon a/k/a the beast and his kingdom<---7th trump
2. God's wrath is poured out upon those who are actively destroying the earth<---7th trump
3. It is the wrath of God...void of any men or agency of man (military)

I believe Daniel gives the timeline....30 days of peace (false) 1260 days of tribulation, 45 days of wrath...I also believe that the first half of Daniels 70th week was fulfilled during the ministry of Jesus when he went and sent his disciples unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel which was their moment of grace...they rejected and will be whittled down by the tribulation period which purifies Israel and the Lord's churches as we have been grafted into the faith of Abraham.

The Great Tribulation...Seals 1-6
1. False peace and security 30 days
2. Peace taken from earth<---WW3
3-4 Results of said war<---disease, famine, death, beasts of the earth cut loose upon humanity
5 Murder of Christian believers for refusal to fall in line under the kingdom of the beast (dragon)
6 Sun, moon and stars affected as Christian influence wanes, falters and fails with the death of Christians and or apostasy by those claiming to be Christian
7th seal initiates the 7 trumps of God

Concerning 6 above...I have come to the following conclusions based upon my own study and research....

1. Sun is representative of Jesus

2. Moon is representative of the Lord's church<--goes thru all stages from new moon (new church) to a full blown Christian witness (full moon) and everything in between as well as the truth that a church just as the moon begins to wane and loose its light to eventually go dark (dark of the moon after third quarter)...the church reflects the light of Jesus onto a world that lies in darkness.

3. Stars represent the saved children of God and the light that they produce is indicative of our witness...some are bright and burning, some are barely a twinkle, stars die each day and stars are born each day.

As the world fades to darkness and as the Christian witness (light) is wiped out the sun, moon and stars begin to loose their light, go dark and finally fall from the heaven when the resurrection/change takes place at the 7th trump as God will remove all vestige of Christian witness.

hmm interesting. never heard this view before.

I believe peace will be 3 1/2 years. It is the which allows the temple to be rebuilt and cause the abomination.

I believe the tribulation starts with the man of sin revealing himself by making this treaty for one week. but the great tribulation starts at the abomination of desolation. when jesus tells people to run. and lasts until the return of christ at the end of the week. in which all evil will be wiped off the earth and satan bound for his thousand years.

just a basic rundown..

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Yeah I used to believe this until it dawned on me who Daniel is actually talking about when (he shall confirm the covenant in the middle of the week)

<----------------------------------------------Middle of the week----------------------------------------->
<-------ministry of Jesus---------------Confirms New Covenant--------Last half of the Week---->
death, burial, resurrection

Daniel 9:26-27

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself<----death, burial resurrection

but not for himself<-----Jesus/Messiah death, burial resurrection for humanity

and the people of the prince that shall come<----Romans and Titus

shall destroy the city and the sanctuary<-----70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple Herod built by Titus

and the end shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the WAR desolations are determined<----last 2000 yrs. of history

And He shall confirm the covenant with many (not all) for 1 week<---70th week of Daniel, 7 years

And in the midst of the week HE shall cause the sacrifice to cease and the oblation to cease<----death, burial and resurrection ended the sacrificial system that pointed at Jesus in the middle of the week...

and (with the abominable armies) he shall make it desolate (EVEN UNTO THE CONSUMMATION) and that determined shall be poured out upon the desolator<-----Started with Titus and has continued and will continue unto the consummation of the age as one army after another has desolated Jerusalem and the land Israel.....this will consummate at the end of the age with Apollyon/Abaddon (the destroyer)

Some things to note....

The beast a/k/a Anti-Christ makes no covenant with anybody as he demands worship by pains of death
Jesus has made a covenant with humanity and has confirmed it by his death, burial and resurrection---->Romans 11:27, Galatians 3:17, Hebrews 8:6, 8, 10, 10:16, 29, 12:24, 13:20

I could be wrong, but this seems plausible and just a few points to ponder...

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2014

dcontroversal said:

Yeah I used to believe this until it dawned on me who Daniel is actually talking about when (he shall confirm the covenant in the middle of the week)

<----------------------------------------------Middle of the week----------------------------------------->
<-------ministry of Jesus---------------Confirms New Covenant--------Last half of the Week---->
death, burial, resurrection

Daniel 9:26-27

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself<----death, burial resurrection

but not for himself<-----Jesus/Messiah death, burial resurrection for humanity

and the people of the prince that shall come<----Romans and Titus

shall destroy the city and the sanctuary<-----70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple Herod built by Titus

and the end shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the WAR desolations are determined<----last 2000 yrs. of history

And He shall confirm the covenant with many (not all) for 1 week<---70th week of Daniel, 7 years

And in the midst of the week HE shall cause the sacrifice to cease and the oblation to cease<----death, burial and resurrection ended the sacrificial system that pointed at Jesus in the middle of the week...

and (with the abominable armies) he shall make it desolate (EVEN UNTO THE CONSUMMATION) and that determined shall be poured out upon the desolator<-----Started with Titus and has continued and will continue unto the consummation of the age as one army after another has desolated Jerusalem and the land Israel.....this will consummate at the end of the age with Apollyon/Abaddon (the destroyer)

Some things to note....

The beast a/k/a Anti-Christ makes no covenant with anybody as he demands worship by pains of death
Jesus has made a covenant with humanity and has confirmed it by his death, burial and resurrection---->Romans 11:27, Galatians 3:17, Hebrews 8:6, 8, 10, 10:16, 29, 12:24, 13:20

I could be wrong, but this seems plausible and just a few points to ponder...

will also add that it leaves us with the time frame found in Daniel 12 as applied unto the Jews and Israel

1335 days

30 days of Peace (perceived)
1260 days of the Great Tribulation
45 days of wrath

eternally-gratefull · Feb 28, 2014

dcontroversal said:

I am with you until here

I disagree here. Sacrifice always pointed to Jesu sbut never saved anyone., the sacrifices continued to 70 ad. so Christs death did not put an end to it. I believe israel will restart sacrifice again in the future temple (they already have everything they need, even the heffers, and the priests to start today if they had a temple, which is their dream as we speak)

When the eprince enters the temple, and makes it unclean ceremonially (the abomination) He causes the sacrifices (which are still done in sin, and not needed, but done because Israel has not recieved Christ yet as her messiah) to cease. because there is no place to do it in an unclean temple.

and (with the abominable armies) he shall make it desolate (EVEN UNTO THE CONSUMMATION) and that determined shall be poured out upon the desolator

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I believe this is the temple. His armies keep the temple desolate. he just does not abominate it then leave. Some believe he actually sets up his throne there.

And yes, this will continue until the end, when Christ returns with his armies.

As for desolation. Even if Israel is allowed to rebuild. there still would be desolation. Because israel still is not at peace. but only given permision, she is still slaves, as she has been since babylon first took her up until today.

The one who makes the treaty is the beast. He promises peace for a time, then when people are not expecting it, Declares war on all mankind.

I do not think Jesus has ANYTHING to do with the prince who is to come, or the 70 week. which does those things. Except Jesus allows him to do what he will do. and warns us about what he will do.

I believe the 69th week ended with his death. And we are still waiting for the 70th to start

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

I am with you until here

I disagree here. Sacrifice always pointed to Jesu sbut never saved anyone., the sacrifices continued to 70 ad. so Christs death did not put an end to it. I believe israel will restart sacrifice again in the future temple (they already have everything they need, even the heffers, and the priests to start today if they had a temple, which is their dream as we speak)

When the eprince enters the temple, and makes it unclean ceremonially (the abomination) He causes the sacrifices (which are still done in sin, and not needed, but done because Israel has not recieved Christ yet as her messiah) to cease. because there is no place to do it in an unclean temple.

I believe this is the temple. His armies keep the temple desolate. he just does not abominate it then leave. Some believe he actually sets up his throne there.

And yes, this will continue until the end, when Christ returns with his armies.

As for desolation. Even if Israel is allowed to rebuild. there still would be desolation. Because israel still is not at peace. but only given permision, she is still slaves, as she has been since babylon first took her up until today.

The one who makes the treaty is the beast. He promises peace for a time, then when people are not expecting it, Declares war on all mankind.

I do not think Jesus has ANYTHING to do with the prince who is to come, or the 70 week. which does those things. Except Jesus allows him to do what he will do. and warns us about what he will do.

I believe the 69th week ended with his death. And we are still waiting for the 70th to start

No biggie if we disagree.....still have to explain why Daniel 12 doesn't give a 7 year time frame as Michael stands to defend Israel and only 1335 days are listed as left.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 28, 2014

dcontroversal said:

I will be honest. I do not see where you get the 30 and 45 days out of daniel 12.

Also. Jesus said there will be great tribulation immediately following the abomination. Frome this time on, there would be a time times and half a time, (1260 days) then something happens for 75 days, which I am not sure we really know what it is.

eternally-gratefull · Feb 28, 2014

dcontroversal said:

I know. I am not trying to argue. just trying to share beliefs.

The 7 year period is given in dan 9. Dan 12 only speaks of the last half of that week. It does not speak of the first half. because sacrifice is evidently occuring, and there is peace.

remember, jesus told those in jerusalem to run to a place. Rev states that the beast goes after the woman (israel) But she is protected by God, this is where dan 12 comes in and Michael does his protecting

watcher2013 · Feb 28, 2014

maybe you guys can shared your views in the thread:
signs Jesus gave

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand three hundered and five and thirty days=1335 days...

The break down...

First of all Israel goes by a 360 day calendar based upon a 28 day moon cycle and adds an extra month Adar Sheni (intercalary month) to make up for the discretion of the modern calendar year of 365 days.

Beast a/k/a Anti-Christ shall make war against the saints of God and wear them out for 1260 days/3.5 years and prevail against them and overcome them<------Both Daniel and Revelation make this point...Daniel 7:25, Daniel 12:7, Revelation 12:6, Revelation 12:14 and is also the same time frame that the two witnesses of Revelation proclaim the truth Revelation 11:3<------a thousand two hundred and three score days=1260 days

a time, times and dividing of time=3.5 years<----Daniel 7:25, 12:7 3.5x360=1260 days
Revelation 12:6,14------------------3.5 years 3.5x360=1260 days
Two witnesses-------------------------------------------->1260 days

1335-1260=75 days

75 days left to deal with...

Daniel 12:11 From the time that the daily sacrifice was taken away<---Jesus middle of the week death burial and resurrection

to the time that the Image of the beast is set up will be 1290 days NOTE Time seems to have stopped or been split by God as the last 2 millennium have been the offering of grace

1290-1260=30<----perceived peace that lasts a short time...When they shall say peace and safety (SUDDEN) destruction shall come upon them (Thessalonians)

so now we have...

30 days
1260 days until the image is set up which leaves 45 days....

45 days is God's wrath poured out upon the beast/his kingdom because they are attempting to annihilate Israel (all the world gathered against Jerusalem to battle that I may pour my wrath upon them

1335 days applied unto Israel Daniel 12:1<--- a time of trouble (Jacobs trouble/persecution of the saints) such as never was since there was a nation....The Great Tribulation------------->Daniel 12:11-12 found within the same context..

1335 days left as in

30 days-->perceived peace (1st seal and When they shall say peace and safety<---note 2nd seal takes peace from the EARTH
1260 days---->Great Tribulation Daniel. Matthew, Mark, Luke Thesolonian Letters, Revelation
45 days of wrath

Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the thousand, three hundred and five and thirty days=1335 DAYS<----Applied unto Israel Daniel 12:1 as the resurrection/change takes place at the 7th trump which is after 1290 days.....Israel goes thru in their flesh as it is Israel that will repopulate the waste cites and inhabit the land that belongs to them....If they were in glorified bodies they could not repopulate the waste cities<----Remember concerning the resurrection and what Jesus dais when the hypocrites tried to trip him up with the married woman who marries all the brothers and whose wife shall she be in the kingdom of heaven----->like the angels no marrying or given in marriage.

dcontroversal · Feb 28, 2014

watcher2013 said:

You know it is like chasing a rabbit...if you want to get the rabbit, you have to go where the rabbit goes! HAH!

watcher2013 · Feb 28, 2014

Going back in our topic
So far:
1. Post 224 page 12, The Bride of the Lamb is not the same as the Church, but the Price for the Church. (Revelation 3:12)

2. Post 228 page 12, The Price, the wife, the Bride the New Jerusalem is not only for the Church but also for the Patriarchs and Prophets. (Hebrews 11)

3. Post 259 page 13,
The Church has never been forsaken and desolated while Jerusalem was. (Isaiah 62)
(New) Jerusalem sons (children) shall marry Jerusalem (Isaiah 62)
God as the Bridegroom and Jerusalem son (children) as a young man, is a parallel fulfilment of Jesus as (the bridegroom) being the Head, and the Church his body (young man) and the NEW JERUSALEM,THE WIFE, THE BRIDE, THE CITY OF GOD. (Isaiah 62)

4. Post 287 page 15,
The New Jerusalem is also the City of God and Not the Church. (Isaiah 60, Revelation 21)

Therefore The Church is not the Bride; it is not the New Jerusalem and it is not the City of God.

So what is the Church?

The Bible directly identified the Church as the Body of Christ , post 162 page 9

Nowhere in the Bible can you find directly that the Church is the Bride.

And Even though we have this truth, some will continue to defend their unsupported belief and contend.
Why?
Maybe because some holds the doctrine about the timing of the rapture and their teaching was based on the story of the Jewish wedding and the Bride.

Would you choose a story in place of the the truth????

Having said that,
Can a Man be married to his work???
A figure of speech, not because the Man’s wife is his work, but because the Man is always at work or addicted to work or the Man work too much...etc.

Applying the same figure of speech:

I can also say that the Church is espoused to Christ not because it is the bride, but because the Church is his body and they are one.

The Figure of language is about the synecdoche (from konroh) of “MARRIAGE”

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

This Marriage is about living with each other and becoming one.
At the marriage they will become one...
From the very beginning that was the purpose...God dwelling with his people and this will be fulfilled.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
The New Jerusalem shall be inhabited.

Elin · Feb 28, 2014

dcontroversal said:

The NT presents all the born again as the one body of Christ, his wife. . .spiritually. . .now.
At the future resurrection, the spiritual union of Christ with his spiritual body of all the born again,
will also be a physical union including their bodies in the new heavens and new earth.

The church, the body of Christ is all born again believers of all time.

This body meets in local visible assemblies, of whose members not all may be born again.

So I believe in a visible church, composed of both those who (only) profess faith,
but are not actually born again, and those who actually possess faith and are born again,

and in an invisible "universal" church composed only of those who are born again,
and actually possess faith, the members of which is certain only to God.

Short answer: I believe in both, with distinctions.

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