To comfort those who speak in tongues

[PeacefulWarrior]

... very apropos... and clever, Ember

Right, but for those of us who still didn't understand Ember at this point in time (myself included) it makes no sense -- so being "clever" is actually very destructive to constructive fellowship when the point is never received. (or meaning is never revealed)

 

[Angela53510]

Angela...I say the following respectfully and it really needs to be understood

NO ONE has said that if you do not speak in tongues you are not saved

That has been the accusation from those who say tongues are not for today...it has been repeated over and over by some in these forums and has been refuted over and over as well.

It is my understanding that someone did actually come along and say that...but in a different thread and if I remember correctly, they were eventually banned...they were certainly refuted...not by myself because I did not respond much in that thread

I have said a good number of times that you do not have to speak in tongues to be saved and have posted this verse:

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, Eph1:13

more than once and I believe it might be in this thread also

why is it that certain people can go about saying how hurt they were while stating I or someone else said something we never actually even said?

I'll tell you right now...when I read this:



it hurts me. I want to say to you...how can you say such things? you renounced tongues...well that was YOUR choice...another poster comes right out and states tongues is a demon spirit speaking through us...

you have one experience...I and many others have another. Trashing what we believe is true is not the way to go

I know full well that some churches are not following the biblical injunctions for tongues, but that is neither God's fault nor is it the fault of any save those who do such things

Reading your post, and not trying to insult you, it seems you have thrown things out because of what others do

well, we can only believe what we can accept...I doubt you or I would have accepted all that Paul was taught by the Holy Spirit and we probably would not have liked to live that life of faith either

What I am really finding troublesome is the contined line that we think you have to speak in tongues to be saved...that seems to be a major defense for some reason...it seems no matter how often we declare otherwise, we are still told that is what we say

not much a person can do but just repeat themself as I have done here



well, the Bible never says you are special if you speak in tongues...this was a lie you believed...that does not turn my experience or someone elses' experience sour

we should not judge truth by personal experience...we can testify or not...but for me, the Bible is plain on the subject of tongues

hope you understand this is not to castigate or hurt you in any way, but there are two sides and really, we are not saying and have not said you must speak in tongues

when I refer to the Holy Spirit with regards to the gifts, it seems clear to me that God gives those gifts to whom He chooses...many people will call themselves this or that or claim to be a teacher or pastor or whatever..but truthfully, if you refuse the gifts and say they are not for today or perhaps just some are, what are you really saying?

you may be saved, but you are not experiencing what God has for those who accept His gifts

this does not mean speaking in tongues either, because there are different gifts of course...but how can a person mock one and hate one and fight with those who say otherwise and then claim to love everyone?

You can reach your own cconclusions....my conscience is clear because I have not said what seems to be the big hue and cry

I was going to PM you and say, "Not talking about you, Ember!" You have always been kind and gentle about your "experiences" and even though I do not agree with tongues, I do not condemn you, because you are open and honest.

BUT, there are people on this thread, who if they have not said it, they have implied that people who do not speak in tongues are "second class" Christians. That we NEED the tongues to be joyful, fulfilled, walking with God, etc. Those are the people I take issue with. Because my whole walk with Jesus has been the power of the Holy Spirit leading and guiding me. So I guess that makes me a third class Christian because I renounced tongues?

I renounced tongues because I knew in my heart I had been lying and pretending before God. For me, it held me back in walking with God. How can you follow the Holy Spirit if you are lying to God? I knew I had been. And the more I learned, the more I realized most people that I had gone to church with were also lying to God.

I do know of one incident, where a Pentecostal speaker at a Christian banquet spoke 4 words he didn't understand. He did not babble, just 4 distinct, unknown words. At the end of the banquet, a man ran up from the back, with a napkin in his hand. He said to the speaker "Why didn't you say you spoke Armenian?" The speaker, of course, did not speak Armenian, but as the man read the 4 words, he was absolutely stunned at God's working! The 4 words said "Jesus Christ is Lord."

He led the man to the Lord, then made repeated trips to visit the man and his family, and 27 people were saved!

That is the real meaning of tongues! That people would hear the gospel in their own tongue and be saved. And that was the turning point, when I realized what I was doing wasn't the Biblical model at all. I have heard other stories like this, but this is the only one where I knew the speaker for years, and yes, I saw the 4 words on that napkin.

So sorry for not contacting you earlier, Ember!

 

[convallaria]

Right, but for those of us who still didn't understand Ember at this point in time (myself included) it makes no sense -- so being "clever" is actually very destructive to constructive fellowship when the point is never received. (or meaning is never revealed)

YOU have stirred all this up against both Ember and myself....now you perhaps can see the evil effect you have created by doing so. You have spread lies about us and people remember the LIES not the real statements we have made because of YOU.


Please also stop messaging me and constantly "liking" my posts wierdly...it is like stalking. I have really really had enough!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

People are more interested in their personal experiences than the truth of the word. It is why threads like this are so "personal"

They expect to be validated by their personal experience. When it is called into question or rejected, Its personal.

Wish I knew this before I was initially "attacked" -- I think things would have went down quite differently.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

YOU have stirred all this up against both Ember and myself....now you perhaps can see the evil effect you have created by doing so. You have spread lies about us and people remember the LIES not the real statements we have made because of YOU.


Please also stop messaging me and constantly "liking" my posts wierdly...it is like stalking. I have really really had enough!

Few more minutes, and I will have a post that outlines exactly how I recevied you and Ember.

There will be no more room for error or accusations of lies.

Hang in there. Don't give up!

I seek to spread the truth, not lies.

 

[BenFTW]

PeacefulWarrior, seriously? Can we all get over the petty remarks and quick retorts? Was it necessary to tell ember to address Angela in PM, only alluding to the fact she told you to take it to PM earlier? Like, really? Anyone who is paying attention sees all the little nuances of this conversation and the little quick jabs. Guys, drop it. Let it go. Lets get some peace up in here, ironically, PeacefulWarrior.

All of you are better than this. Its silly.

 

[convallaria]

Can anyone tell me how I can stop PW "liking" my posts all the time? I have him on ignore but he is still doing it to harass and annoy me

 

[convallaria]

PeacefulWarrior, seriously? Can we all get over the petty remarks and quick retorts? Was it necessary to tell ember to address Angela in PM, only alluding to the fact she told you to take it to PM earlier? Like, really? Anyone who is paying attention sees all the little nuances of this conversation and the little quick jabs. Guys, drop it. Let it go. Lets get some peace up in here, ironically, PeacefulWarrior.

All of you are better than this. Its silly.

Thank you!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Can anyone tell me how I can stop PW "liking" my posts all the time? I have him on ignore but he is still doing it to harass and annoy me

This is why I will not rest, Ben.

They fail to understand (others) and refuse to try.

If I lash out at you, Ben, and then place you on my ignore list -- is that love?

 

[HoneyDew]

Can anyone tell me how I can stop PW "liking" my posts all the time? I have him on ignore but he is still doing it to harass and annoy me

Don't get worked up over a liked post. Just ignore it. Why would you allow anyone liking your posts annoy you? I'm sorry but it is silly. Just ignore it. A like can't hurt you. I am not trying to offend so please don't take it that way.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Few more minutes, and I will have a post that outlines exactly how I recevied you and Ember.

There will be no more room for error or accusations of lies.

Hang in there. Don't give up!

I seek to spread the truth, not lies.

Here: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...tionism-wrong-good-article-8.html#post2255286

 

[KennethC]

This is why I will not rest, Ben.

They fail to understand (others) and refuse to try.

If I lash out at you, Ben, and then place you on my ignore list -- is that love?

Look people handle things and situations in different ways.

We can not handle all situations the same as even Apostle Paul shows in the bible depending on who he was speaking depended on how he approached them in teaching them the Lord's ways.

I myself have seen you like a post and then in a response to it you speak as though you disagree with what was said.
That makes no sense to like something you disagree with.

 

[BenFTW]

This is why I will not rest, Ben.

They fail to understand (others) and refuse to try.

If I lash out at you, Ben, and then place you on my ignore list -- is that love?

Can anyone tell me how I can stop PW "liking" my posts all the time? I have him on ignore but he is still doing it to harass and annoy me

You know what this reminds me of? A meme:

You guys make me laugh. If she is asking you to stop PeacefulWarrior, the loving thing to do would be to honor her request. I understand that you are hurt because you feel that you are being misunderstood. I also understand their perspective because you are lashing out at them (clearly as you won't rest). Come on you guys, come to a mutual understanding. You disagreed on a topic, so what? Make peace. The topic neither saves you, nor condemns you. I will say, however, that it does affect your walk with the Lord and the way in which you may edify others (pertaining to the gifts).

 

[notuptome]

God does not operate on a popular opinion poll basis. God has set forth His word and God will not vary from it.

The sons of Sceva claimed to operate in the power of God but were exposed by the truth.

Tongues are not whatever you want them to be but are what God has declared them to be according to His word. Nothing on the NT church even remotely resembles what is evidenced in the NT relative to tongues and the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit. There is a further corruption of Gods word with all the spooky spiritual healings and such that pass for todays church service.

Tears shed today before the judgment seat of Christ will result in forgiveness but the cries of those before the Great White Throne Judgment will be in vain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[KennethC]

God does not operate on a popular opinion poll basis. God has set forth His word and God will not vary from it.

The sons of Sceva claimed to operate in the power of God but were exposed by the truth.

Tongues are not whatever you want them to be but are what God has declared them to be according to His word. Nothing on the NT church even remotely resembles what is evidenced in the NT relative to tongues and the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit. There is a further corruption of Gods word with all the spooky spiritual healings and such that pass for todays church service.

Tears shed today before the judgment seat of Christ will result in forgiveness but the cries of those before the Great White Throne Judgment will be in vain.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Like others have told you before also just because there is a big misuse of the gifts now days does not mean the true gifts of the Holy Spirit are not active today.

The deceiver who is satan will misuse the things of God to confuse and deceive people, and one of the biggest deceptions I see him doing now days is getting people to deny the working power and gifts of the Holy Spirit that still works through believers. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit !!!

 

[ember]

So WHOEVER can receive that I concur COMPLETELY with Ember's post #511 commenting to Angela's post. I am HAVE the HS and my response to reading Angels's post was "hey.... okay...sure... I get it... then awww NOOOO" for the very same "clauses" ember pointed to in her post.

THANK you Ember for responding so succinctly... because I was personally reviewing the very same "scripted response" in my spirit and sooooo NOT wanting to "argue" and "reprove" the issue AGAIN. PTL, I come back and merely have to AGREE with what you have said already... AMEN AMEN AMEN!

For any body who is paying attention... notice 2 witness agreement?

thanks Barly...I thank God that my post to Angela was received in the spirit in which it was intended

Thanks!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Can anyone tell me how I can stop PW "liking" my posts all the time? I have him on ignore but he is still doing it to harass and annoy me

I myself have seen you like a post and then in a response to it you speak as though you disagree with what was said.
That makes no sense to like something you disagree with.

You guys make me laugh. If she is asking you to stop PeacefulWarrior, the loving thing to do would be to honor her request. I understand that you are hurt because you feel that you are being misunderstood. I also understand their perspective because you are lashing out at them (clearly as you won't rest). Come on you guys, come to a mutual understanding. You disagreed on a topic, so what? Make peace. The topic neither saves you, nor condemns you. I will say, however, that it does affect your walk with the Lord and the way in which you may edify others (pertaining to the gifts).

Since I have seen her request to stop "liking" her posts, I have done so.

Also, this obviously went ignored: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-those-who-speak-tongues-15.html#post2247556

 

[ember]

I was going to PM you and say, "Not talking about you, Ember!" You have always been kind and gentle about your "experiences" and even though I do not agree with tongues, I do not condemn you, because you are open and honest.

BUT, there are people on this thread, who if they have not said it, they have implied that people who do not speak in tongues are "second class" Christians. That we NEED the tongues to be joyful, fulfilled, walking with God, etc. Those are the people I take issue with. Because my whole walk with Jesus has been the power of the Holy Spirit leading and guiding me. So I guess that makes me a third class Christian because I renounced tongues?

I renounced tongues because I knew in my heart I had been lying and pretending before God. For me, it held me back in walking with God. How can you follow the Holy Spirit if you are lying to God? I knew I had been. And the more I learned, the more I realized most people that I had gone to church with were also lying to God.

I do know of one incident, where a Pentecostal speaker at a Christian banquet spoke 4 words he didn't understand. He did not babble, just 4 distinct, unknown words. At the end of the banquet, a man ran up from the back, with a napkin in his hand. He said to the speaker "Why didn't you say you spoke Armenian?" The speaker, of course, did not speak Armenian, but as the man read the 4 words, he was absolutely stunned at God's working! The 4 words said "Jesus Christ is Lord."

He led the man to the Lord, then made repeated trips to visit the man and his family, and 27 people were saved!

That is the real meaning of tongues! That people would hear the gospel in their own tongue and be saved. And that was the turning point, when I realized what I was doing wasn't the Biblical model at all. I have heard other stories like this, but this is the only one where I knew the speaker for years, and yes, I saw the 4 words on that napkin.

So sorry for not contacting you earlier, Ember!

Thank you Angela....and thank you for understanding my post

it has been painful to watch how my words have been slandered and misconstrued over and over

I understand what you say about the 'real' gift....for me, that is evidence that the real does in fact exist

but I do know that from my own experience...well, enough for now

thank you again!

 

[ember]

Since I have seen her request to stop "liking" her posts, I have done so.

Also, this obviously went ignored: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...t-those-who-speak-tongues-15.html#post2247556

I have the same request...kindly stop liking my posts...you have liked literally a few dozen..today alone...

so please stop...I don't care to see it

like most folks here, I like a post when I agree and dispense rep points for the same reason

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

it has been painful to watch how my words have been slandered and misconstrued over and over

It has been painful for me to watch people misunderstand, never clarify, and then ignore. (eg This)