For Sabbath keepers, How does obedience to the Sabbath affect your Salvation?

[Praus]

He pour out His Spirit on all flesh now.
Most ducked nevertheless for fear that they might have to turn and be healed.

That's exactly what I wrote yesterday.

Time for reading glasses

It make no sense that someone with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit would aver that "it's not for me to say".

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Isaiah 63:10-11 again. And also the reason I asked specifically what "have the holy spirit" is. The holy spirit is not new. He is from the beginning. He's been working since. It wouldn't be fair if they didn't have - especially when He chose them because He loved them, especially when they "were" to obey His law.
Without the holy spirit the psalmist would not be able to come up with Psalm 92 for the Sabbath day, a physical one.

So they vexed his holy spirit; that doesn't mean they had the holy spirit. David was anointed with the holy spirit, but he was an exception. He was a type of the salvation that was to come. The giving of the spirit, as opposed to the giving of the law, was obviously a new thing that GOD was going to do as announced by the prophets.

When someone receives a gift, they have what they have been given. Until Pentecost, the Israelites weren't anointed with the holy spirit because they hadn't been given the spirit; they were given and had law. So they did not have the spirit. If Israel had the spirit before Pentecost, there is no reason for John to have wrote:

By this we know that we reside in him and he in us: that he has given us of his Spirit. 1 John 4:13

And the one who keeps his commandments resides in him, and he in him. And by this we know that he resides in us: by the Spirit whom he has given to us. 1 John 3:24​

 

[zone]

What is the mark of the beast ?

i know
do you? (hint: it's not "Sunday Worship")

 

[zone]

There is only one place in scripture where it is said that GOD poured out his spirit on the nation of Israel: at Pentecost, which was prophesied by the prophet Amos. At Mt Sinai Israel was given the law, not the spirit.

what? Peter didn't mean it when he said THIS IS THAT?
LOL....okay.

off to play in the snow.
and -20 temp....uh...no.
maybe a nap then steak dinner out...oh yaaaaaa.

 

[RedTent]

What an archaic notion. The Israelites had the sabbath, but didn't have the holy spirit. They needed the sabbath to dwell on GOD's goodness. Now we have the spirit and know GOD personally every moment of every day. Clinging to the sabbath is like clinging to bicycle training wheels after one learns how to ride a bicycle.

But clinging to the spirit without fulfilling it, completing it with doing is corrupting the spirit. It is like Abraham saying God I have faith in all you say, but no I will not do what you say.

 

[Rockbysea]

I'm not sure where you're coming from. As I see it we have two natures: a perfect spirit and a corrupted body. We are seated in the heavens in Christ, perfect wherein GOD sees no blemish. He does, however, see our blemishes on earth, and demands that we continue in the way of righteousness in order that these be cleansed and healed.

Now I know you and I differ (respectfully on my part and I believe on yours also) in our views regarding the flesh: You see it as being corrupt from birth I see it as being corrupted by sin. Also you and I differ in our views about the physical creation: You see it as created perfect I see it as intentionally created by God to be less than perfect (very good) and slated for destruction, ….a physical simulation of the perfection that will be revealed with the full manifestation of the Kingdom of God and the consummation of all things within the creation of the perfect New Heaven and the perfect New Earth. Also everything that dwells within the less than perfect physical creation (including the children of God) is subject to the less than perfect physical creation therefore if one is subjected to what is less than perfect then they too are less than perfect which is why Christ never said He was perfect. That does not mean His walk and deeds were not perfect it just means He was not yet “perfected”.

So as to not derail this thread and keep it on topic I’ll just make a brief and hopefully final comment on this here and perhaps take up this topic some other time.

The only thing that is perfect within the child of God while he is on this earth is the Holy Spirit that is at work in the perfection process which is why God created the less than perfect physical universe... to utilize time with its properties of change. While a child of God is here on earth going through that perfection process he cannot and should not write down on a piece of paper: “My Father sees me as perfect” and then post it on the bulletin board in the town square for all to see. Nor can he or should he go around audibly telling his neighbors and friends, “My Father sees me as perfect.” Nor can he or should he go before His Father in heaven and say, “Father, I know you see me as perfect.”

So I’m going to hopefully leave it at that in this thread and focus on this Ten Commandment 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath stuff and perhaps this discussion will be taken up at some other time.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

and -20 temp....

sick......

 

[chubbena]

So they vexed his holy spirit; that doesn't mean they had the holy spirit. David was anointed with the holy spirit, but he was an exception. He was a type of the salvation that was to come. The giving of the spirit, as opposed to the giving of the law, was obviously a new thing that GOD was going to do as announced by the prophets.

When someone receives a gift, they have what they have been given. Until Pentecost, the Israelites weren't anointed with the holy spirit because they hadn't been given the spirit; they were given and had law. So they did not have the spirit. If Israel had the spirit before Pentecost, there is no reason for John to have wrote:

By this we know that we reside in him and he in us: that he has given us of his Spirit. 1 John 4:13

And the one who keeps his commandments resides in him, and he in him. And by this we know that he resides in us: by the Spirit whom he has given to us. 1 John 3:24​

Did you miss Isaiah 63:11 where he said: "Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them"?

 

[chubbena]

That's part of His suffering, yes, that's why it's in the New Testament.

Are you saying Christians have to bear a physical wooden cross everyday?

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

I know what's right from wrong but I don't judge.

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Is that the reason you are judging those with a different understanding than yours? Do you know the same Paul said he didn't even judge himself? Do you know Yeshua said judge not and you shall not be judged?

My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.

It's clear whose trying to master here.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Did you miss Isaiah 63:11 where he said: "Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them"?

Among them, not in them. Of course the holy spirit was with them. Are you seriously that clueless about the giving of the law and the giving of the spirit? No wonder you are so fixated on the law.

 

[JaumeJ]

2Co 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin (perfect); that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

He obeyed the commandments, and was not guilty of breaking any of the laws either.

 

[SpiritofFire]

2Co 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin (perfect); that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

He obeyed the commandments, and was not guilty of breaking any of the laws either.

Was it a commandment to go to the synagogue or was it a custom?

 

[JaumeJ]

Y'a wanna fight? I sure don't. What I posted is truth; what you ask may be stretched to call it related, but that is all. Please stop. If you wish, start a post a new subject.

Was it a commandment to go to the synagogue or was it a custom?

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Simply put, does keeping the Sabbath have any effect on your salvation or standing before God?

The question was to Sabbath keepers. Sabbath keepers know that Saturday is the true Sabbath. Also, the Sabbath being part of God's Commandments point to your love towards God. The one who ignores the Sabbath, ignores God and by ignoring God, you show your NON-Love. By keeping the Sabbath you are one step closer to your salvation as God sees that you are willing to obey Him. So my answer to the question is that Sabbath keeping has an effect on your Salvation. Ignore the Sabbath, that is where God separates the Sheep from the Goat. Accept the Sabbath and keep it, brings you one step closer to God. Blessed Sabbath to all ye Sabbath keepers.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The question was to Sabbath keepers. Sabbath keepers know that Saturday is the true Sabbath. Also, the Sabbath being part of God's Commandments point to your love towards God. The one who ignores the Sabbath, ignores God and by ignoring God, you show your NON-Love. By keeping the Sabbath you are one step closer to your salvation as God sees that you are willing to obey Him. So my answer to the question is that Sabbath keeping has an effect on your Salvation. Ignore the Sabbath, that is where God separates the Sheep from the Goat. Accept the Sabbath and keep it, brings you one step closer to God. Blessed Sabbath to all ye Sabbath keepers.

What you described is works of law, not the gospel of Christ.

 

[zone]

Ignore the Sabbath, that is where God separates the Sheep from the Goat. Accept the Sabbath and keep it, brings you one step closer to God..

so keeping the sabbath is the gospel.
the jewish people will be saved on that basis, since keeping the sabbath makes you a sheep.

Jesus has nothing to do with it.

 

[SarahM777]

so keeping the sabbath is the gospel.
the jewish people will be saved on that basis, since keeping the sabbath makes you a sheep.

Jesus has nothing to do with it.

There is nothing quite like works righteousness is there.

 

[jahsoul]

Y'a wanna fight? I sure don't. What I posted is truth; what you ask may be stretched to call it related, but that is all. Please stop. If you wish, start a post a new subject.

Actually, it is kinda related. The Bible always say that Jesus went to the synagogue on the Sabbath but that was NOWHERE in the Sabbath laws given by Moses. We have to ask, when they were walking and they were picking grain, did they break the Sabbath law or were they found blameless? (David, the priest who works on the Sabbath).

Not saying that I'm going against you but I get where SpiritofFire was going with that one.

 

[zone]

There is nothing quite like works righteousness is there.

it's not even works righteousness.
it's "resting" day righteousness.
no work.

no works. the day saves you while you do nothing.
or summink.

? i wonder if dey have a sabbath goy to light their candles?

 

[zone]

What you described is works of law, not the gospel of Christ.

John 6
28Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?" 29Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."

so, i would want to see where Jesus commanded His sent ones to teach sabbath-keeping.


Matthew 28
The Great Commission
18And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

so where's the Epistle on the Sabbath?
where?