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the one which saves. the one John prophesied, The one jesus claimed we would recieve, and the one Peter witnessed. the one done without the hands of men spoken of by Paul. the one into the death, burial and body of Christ spoken of by paul. The washing of regeneration spoken of by paul.
Not the one in water, which is a command we all must follow. but like all commands, we should follow them because God loved us first, so we can love him, and not because we are trying to appease an angry God and save ourselves.
Not the one in water, which is a command we all must follow. but like all commands, we should follow them because God loved us first, so we can love him, and not because we are trying to appease an angry God and save ourselves.
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No he did not.
because gift of the holy spirit is ALSO third person plural. and remission of sin is 2nd person singular.
the gift of the spirit was ONLY promised to those who repent what is the gift of the spirit? forgiveness of sin.
You can;t read. I understand,, again, you may need to go back to school. the basic aspects of any language you are destroying.
because gift of the holy spirit is ALSO third person plural. and remission of sin is 2nd person singular.
the gift of the spirit was ONLY promised to those who repent what is the gift of the spirit? forgiveness of sin.
You can;t read. I understand,, again, you may need to go back to school. the basic aspects of any language you are destroying.
All denominations can be divided into two camps on this issue. Of course the ones that teach baptism in water is essential will not consider that. The ones that preach and teach a rebirthed heart hold to the classic belief.
The Eunuch heard the gospel from Philip, then believed, confessing Jesus biblically. He was saved at that moment. He then desired to be water baptized. That baptism didn't save him. His confession did.
Acts 8:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Confession = salvation....
Matthew 10:32-33 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Confession = salvation....
John 20:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Confession = salvation
1 John 4:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
No mention of water baptism being required for that benefit. Water baptism is a symbol of what
has already happened in one's heart. Possibly millions are water baptized, but are lost, not confessing from the heart.
Paul avoided baptizing in water because it carries a religious form with the danger a person can say they were baptized in the preacher's name. He was not called to baptize, but to preach the gospel, which he learned from no man, but from the Holy Spirit for 3 years. He was beneficiary of John 14:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
[HR][/HR] 1 John 2:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
What might the Holy Spirit have taught Paul?
John 21:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Jesus did say and do it all. It was too much to write down. He sent the Holy Spirit in His place to bring it all back to believers.
Given that Paul did indeed receive all the Lord wanted him to have, and it is all of God, then Paul was not "commissioned" to baptize in water since his gospel message avoided that. Paul instead ministered the Spirit baptism by laying on of hands.
Peter was not "commissioned" to water baptise, but was given the Great Commission to preach the gospel. No disciple of Jesus was focused on water baptism, though most would not forbid it. It ought not be forbidden, just like speaking in unknown tongues upon being filled with the Spirit ought not be forbidden. Neither of those casue salvation, but are signs of two parts of salvation. One is a sign of being baptized in Christ, the other a sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
The Eunuch heard the gospel from Philip, then believed, confessing Jesus biblically. He was saved at that moment. He then desired to be water baptized. That baptism didn't save him. His confession did.
Acts 8:37 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
Confession = salvation....
Matthew 10:32-33 (KJV)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Confession = salvation....
John 20:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Confession = salvation
1 John 4:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
No mention of water baptism being required for that benefit. Water baptism is a symbol of what
has already happened in one's heart. Possibly millions are water baptized, but are lost, not confessing from the heart.
Paul avoided baptizing in water because it carries a religious form with the danger a person can say they were baptized in the preacher's name. He was not called to baptize, but to preach the gospel, which he learned from no man, but from the Holy Spirit for 3 years. He was beneficiary of John 14:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
[HR][/HR] 1 John 2:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
What might the Holy Spirit have taught Paul?
John 21:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
Jesus did say and do it all. It was too much to write down. He sent the Holy Spirit in His place to bring it all back to believers.
Given that Paul did indeed receive all the Lord wanted him to have, and it is all of God, then Paul was not "commissioned" to baptize in water since his gospel message avoided that. Paul instead ministered the Spirit baptism by laying on of hands.
Peter was not "commissioned" to water baptise, but was given the Great Commission to preach the gospel. No disciple of Jesus was focused on water baptism, though most would not forbid it. It ought not be forbidden, just like speaking in unknown tongues upon being filled with the Spirit ought not be forbidden. Neither of those casue salvation, but are signs of two parts of salvation. One is a sign of being baptized in Christ, the other a sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
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Well If you don't want to get baptized and want to tell others they don't have to also, then I would say please go to God in prayer in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And pray for forgiveness for the sin of unbelief you are living and telling others to live in so you can be forgiven of it.
Refusing to follow a direct command from Jesus is disobedience, disobedience is sin of unbelief, and unbelief has no salvation.
Refusing to follow a direct command from Jesus is disobedience, disobedience is sin of unbelief, and unbelief has no salvation.
Because you teach faith + works = salvation and that is false
Faith = salvation without WORKS
Saved will do Work(s)
This is what you cannot grasp......... Galatians 1, 3
ARE YOU SO FOOLISH having BEGUN in the SPIRIT are YOU NOW MADE COMPLETE by the FLESH<--which is WORKS
Did you RECIEVE the SPIRIT by the WORKS OF THE LAW, or by the HEARING of FAITH?
He the BELIEVETH HATH EVERLASTING LIFE<-----everlasting means exactly that..>EVERLASTING, ETERNAL as it does not say TEMPORY PARTIAL ALMOST ETERNAL LIFE UNLESS YOU SIN, but ETERNAL!
Faith = salvation without WORKS
Saved will do Work(s)
This is what you cannot grasp......... Galatians 1, 3
ARE YOU SO FOOLISH having BEGUN in the SPIRIT are YOU NOW MADE COMPLETE by the FLESH<--which is WORKS
Did you RECIEVE the SPIRIT by the WORKS OF THE LAW, or by the HEARING of FAITH?
He the BELIEVETH HATH EVERLASTING LIFE<-----everlasting means exactly that..>EVERLASTING, ETERNAL as it does not say TEMPORY PARTIAL ALMOST ETERNAL LIFE UNLESS YOU SIN, but ETERNAL!
Here is the one Jesus said you could receive:
Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
The one done by His disciples, the one done by His disciple Philip here :
Acts 8:38 (NKJV) So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.
When did the Eunuch rejoice? after he believed? or after he was water baptized? :
Acts 8:39 (NKJV) Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.
The one Peter told Cornelius to do AFTER they were baptized by the HS in Acts 10:
Acts 10:47 (NKJV) "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"
Now Peter had the Spirit guiding him, why would Peter have Cornelius be baptized with a second baptism knowing he was just baptized with the HS unless Peter knew the baptism of the HS never saved anyone? unless he knew the HS baptism was NOT the baptism of Eph. 4:5.
Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
The one done by His disciples, the one done by His disciple Philip here :
Acts 8:38 (NKJV) So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him.
When did the Eunuch rejoice? after he believed? or after he was water baptized? :
Acts 8:39 (NKJV) Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing.
The one Peter told Cornelius to do AFTER they were baptized by the HS in Acts 10:
Acts 10:47 (NKJV) "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"
Now Peter had the Spirit guiding him, why would Peter have Cornelius be baptized with a second baptism knowing he was just baptized with the HS unless Peter knew the baptism of the HS never saved anyone? unless he knew the HS baptism was NOT the baptism of Eph. 4:5.
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and in person today. in real life today. all around the world. only those who aren't immersed ..... ..... .....
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rather, those who are immersed in Jesus Name have joy, peace and righteousness already, full of glory in His Body on earth together with Him. they are free from the power of satan, of sin, and of the world system. they live like the believers in the epistles , and in acts.... .... in union with ABBA....
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rather, those who are immersed in Jesus Name have joy, peace and righteousness already, full of glory in His Body on earth together with Him. they are free from the power of satan, of sin, and of the world system. they live like the believers in the epistles , and in acts.... .... in union with ABBA....
Acts chapter 9 contains the (conversion) of Saul.....
Saul acknowledges Jesus as LORD in verse 6
In verse 17 Ananias CALLS SAUL a BROTHER and LAYS HIS HANDS ON SAUL who receives the HOLY SPIRIT (anointing) BEFORE HIS IMMERSION
Baptism is the outward picture of the inward faith that has been directed at the resurrection of Jesus...it is a public profession of the inward faith that one has, it is the first act of obedience and identifies you with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus...it does not save, help one be saved, keep one saved as salvation is a past completed act with present continuing results that takes place BEFORE IMMERSION>
Saul acknowledges Jesus as LORD in verse 6
In verse 17 Ananias CALLS SAUL a BROTHER and LAYS HIS HANDS ON SAUL who receives the HOLY SPIRIT (anointing) BEFORE HIS IMMERSION
Baptism is the outward picture of the inward faith that has been directed at the resurrection of Jesus...it is a public profession of the inward faith that one has, it is the first act of obedience and identifies you with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus...it does not save, help one be saved, keep one saved as salvation is a past completed act with present continuing results that takes place BEFORE IMMERSION>
No surprise there as it takes actually being born of the spirit to understand the word....when you have those who are not born of anything as they have trusted into getting wet and works they will not understand anything.....just like the Pharisees...blind leaders of the blind......like (FISH) out of water.....
J
kinda like you sign on the dotted line first, after taking an oath..... then you go and do what they say, and find out what it really means to be the property of the u.s. government. (literally the property of them, by law)
so also, the Hebrews understood that all things belong to God. He created them, and all is His. He gets to do as He pleases.
to belong to God willingly and joyfully is beyond compare.
so also, the Hebrews understood that all things belong to God. He created them, and all is His. He gets to do as He pleases.
to belong to God willingly and joyfully is beyond compare.
J
(almost) good analogy. the Pharisees didn't understand or accept Jesus BECAUSE they didn't get immersed. they didnot get wet.
LUke 7:29 [c] having been baptized with the baptism of John, 30 but the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected the purpose of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.)
LUke 7:29 [c] having been baptized with the baptism of John, 30 but the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected the purpose of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.)