Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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God is the gift. With God comes His salvation, His works His faith.
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Post #1342 we discussed Eph 2:8-9. In Post #1342, you indicated God gave you faith "as a gift". Then you waffled and claimed that "faith" as used throughout Scripture is "Christ's faith".
Please clarify. thank you.
Sure no problem - happy to do so. First, Christ IS God and God was manifested in Christ. Christ, as the kinsman
redeemer, was assigned (for lack of a better word) certain tasks (for lack of a better word) that Christ had to accomplish
for our salvation as the Elect. Please observe:
[Jhn 6:36-38 KJV]
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have
seen me, and believe not.
37
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that
cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
In order for Christ to have been successful it His mission, He had to be perfectly faithful in achieving the Father's requirements that were given to Him to achieve. By accomplishing those, Christ was perfectly faithful to the Father, and because of that faithfulness, those who the Father "giveth" Him become saved. Christ's ministry alone satisfied the Father's requirements by Christ's faith.
The faith of Christ that satisfied the Father's requirements, has within it, faith and also works, and righteousness. The faith of Christ is imputed (gifted) freely to the Elect as though it was by them, and their sin had been imputed to Christ.
Please provide the verse which indicates faith is imputed to mankind.
Christ's faith is NOT imputed to mankind. It is imputed only to the Elect. Again, Christ's faith was
NOT imputed to mankind.
These verses explain it but you seem to have a problem with either understanding and/or accepting them.
In Gal 2:16, if there was not by the "faith of Christ", then there couldn't be a "faith in Christ" . There must have been the first, to bring the second.
[2Th 2:13 KJV]
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway
to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because
God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that
we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the
faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
And please do not use Gal 5:22 (fruit of the Spirit faith) or 1 Cor 12:9 (manifestation of the Spirit faith) as I do not believe unbelievers partake of fruit of the Spirit or manifestation of the Spirit. Only those who are born again are able to partake of Gal 5:22 and 1 Cor 12:9.
I agree with you in this. I never said the fruit of the Spirt were for mankind in general, just the opposite in fact. I say it is only for those who become born again by the Spirit, which are only of the Elect.
Please read with comprehension. I have maintained that faith has been given by God to all mankind.
I think the mistake you make is that you have a preconceived notion as to what others believe and instead of reading with comprehension what people have written concerning their understanding, you project your preconceived notion. In other words, you do not "hear" what people have indicated through their writing.
To the contrary, I understand your point precisely, I just completely disagree it. No one of themselves can have true faith unless it is
Again, when God formed, made, created mankind, faith was part of the package ... just as intellect, emotions, senses, etc., etc. All is of God. When we mis-utilize that which God has given, that is "self". When we deny self, and take up our cross, "self" does not get in the way. We crucify self and the faith which God gave to all mankind is utilized just as God intended. All is of God.
Where do you find in the Bible that "faith was part of the package"? I have never found any such verse.
Please see my reply above regarding everyone having been born with faith.
Faith is a gift. If a gift, then it couldn't have been present since before being given: when God created mankind. Grace and
faith are received when God, through the Holy Spirit, indwells someone, not before. How could it then be before
becoming saved by faith?
[Eph 2:8 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved
through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
How many times do I have to tell you that faith is "of God" before you understand that I believe faith is "of God"???
I think you're being misleading. You say that faith is of God, but you believe it was to all mankind when He formed mankind,
but, if man goes astray they have to reacquire it of themselves, right? So, if you believe it has to be reacquired, then it is of man, isn't it? If you believe otherwise, please let me know that. If you can provide confirmation of your doctrine from within the Bible please post it.