It's a matter of focus, friend. And it is clear where all synergist teachings end up there.
Sighs...you talk about word games and say things like that...? What if someone asked you: did Wesley die for you? The difference between our views here is where we put our trust.
No justifying of sin at all. The problem is that "holiness" tradition has a shallow concept of sin. You don't even see your own sin. To deny any sin being sin is justifying it.
This is not implied at all.
Your experience for good or bad of some "calvinists" of whatever kind I can not answer for as you understand. Of course we must live for God. Again, it is a matter of what inspires and motivates us in walking the walk. Contrary to "holiness" tradition I'd stay firm on God's work to that end, not any my own ability.
It's a matter of focus, friend. And it is clear where
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If you mean end up where one is actually forthright about living for God..then yes..Amen. This is my desire..but can you be forthright about what 5 point calvinism truly teaches? That is the question
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word games and say things like that...? What if someone asked you: did Wesley die for you? The difference between our views here is where we put our trust.
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Sadly it is what many calvinists that i have spoken to, and even proponents of OSAS do, is take what one said and twist it to mean something that one never implied or never said. I never said good works save you..but they are a necessary confirmation of a true christian conversion..no election, not of Calvin..not of whatever church you belong to could save you, sadly many calvinists point to TULIP and election as their salvation, ive even had some tell me i am condemend for not accepting TULIP. I could not make this stuff up. No i never said Wesley died for me..But he had much good to say..sadly many other 'protestants' do not receive what it means to be right..and that its not just an external work..not only are we covere in the blood but this sacrifice actually makes us right and empowers us, by God's spirit to live right! Why can you not accept this?
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No justifying of sin at all. The problem is that "holiness" tradition has a shallow concept of sin. You don't even see your own sin. To deny any sin being sin is justifying it.-----
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Seeking to be right and live right and not focusing on an alleged election as many 5 point calvinists do, if that is minimizing sin in your eyes then you are not truly wanting to see that anyone who seeks to live for God actually hates sin, and the one who points to only grace without having any responsibility on his or her own behalf seeks to justify his being sinfull and loves sin more than he loves God. Your choice.
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This is not implied at all.--
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It very much is actually..its the logical conclusion all calvinist's should be ok and honest enough about to take their theological views to.
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Your experience for good or bad of some "calvinists" of whatever kind I can not answer for as you understand. Of course we must live for God. Again, it is a matter of what inspires and motivates us in walking the walk. Contrary to "holiness" tradition I'd stay firm on God's work to that end, not any my own ability.-----
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The only 'good calvinists' who i have seen that are truly good and truly bad are i must have to say, the Westboro baptists..because they let the chips fall wherethey may..they say it with conviction..God hates Gays..and all the other venom that they spew. That said, you being an alleged good calvinist should have no problem picketing with them and amening them..after all, they are merely sincere.
As far as walking it seems that you do not have much interest in walking..why even mention it..if God's got you, then keep on sinning! After all, you are elect..and nothing will ever sever that tie from God, according to the P in TULIP. so go on..keep sinning. This is what calvinism teaches..
You never had read any book on holiness..if you did..you would see that this is all done by God's spirit..i said it before..maybe ill say it in spanish so you can understand..
Solamente por el espiritu de Dios se hacen estas cosas! When did i say that I or anyone could do anything apart from God..even the good Lutheran Zone agrees with me..yet you have not enough sense to stick with what is truly said.
Hmm..this resonates with others ive spoken to here..
Guess crossfire was right about you guys..