The grace of God and the Law
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Your run-on sentences aren’t helping anyone. Then again, your Judaizer soteriology isn’t helping anyone either
“Grace says, I've done what you could not, on your behalf. Faith says, I'm going to trust you for that.”
“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
Titus 2:11-15
grace is meant to make us able when we weren’t before
I think that has a lot to do with these false teachings, that some people can't seem to keep their hands off, and have to be able to both take credit for their salvation, and to vaunt themselves over others.
I find the manner of posting often betrays whether they are sincerely in error, or if they are more interested in just being over others. Pride and humility each have their own fingerprints.
Just like the Judiazers who couldn't accept God's grace, these also demand your compliance to their false doctrine that they may glory in your flesh, once they've diverted you into a fleshy pursuit of "legal acceptance", or the self-affirmation, or whatever their own particular pathology may be.
We are first and foremost known by our love for each other, and when someone treats others with contempt it reveals their heart, as this is not love.
Much love!
pinebeach said:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
No that is not what this scripture is saying at all -----this Scripture has nothing to do with Jesus Ministry ----it is actually telling you that the Father and Jesus are one in the Same -------your another one who has not the Rhema word ---making up your own interpretation to suit your own agenda -----
--That is what is SAD ----
the Word was with the Father and the Word Who is Jesus Created all things -----so the Father spoke the word and Jesus created what the Father spoke -----so the Word Jesus was with the Father in the Beginning -----
this Scripture that was quoted by pinebeach-------------has nothing to do with Jesus Ministry at all --
it is telling you Jesus was with the Father from the beginning -----the Father and Jesus are one -----
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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
No that is not what this scripture is saying at all -----this Scripture has nothing to do with Jesus Ministry ----it is actually telling you that the Father and Jesus are one in the Same -------your another one who has not the Rhema word ---making up your own interpretation to suit your own agenda -------That is what is SAD ----
the Word was with the Father and the Word Who is Jesus Created all things -----so the Father spoke the word and Jesus created what the Father spoke -----so the Word Jesus was with the Father in the Beginning -----
this Scripture that was quoted by pinebeach-------------has nothing to do with Jesus Ministry at all --
it is telling you Jesus was with the Father from the beginning -----the Father and Jesus are one -----
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Are you talking about those who aren't under the law but repent for sinning?
This is another place that clarifies this for us.
"In Him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind."
The Law speaks, He who does these will live by them, Grace speaks, In Him as life.
So where do we go for life? To the Law? Or to Jesus? This very passage announces the end of the dispensation of Law, and the beginning of the dispensation of Grace.
John again contrasts these,
John 1:16-17 KJV
16) And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17) For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
"In Him was life"
Much love!
No, I'm speaking of those who insist on the observance of the Law given in the covenant God made with Israel at Mt. Horeb.
Our repentance to salvation is from unbelief to belief. After this we are in our discipleship with Jesus, as He trains us to walk in His Spirit. We, being in Christ, no longer desire sin, and fight against it, so that we may walk worthily of God's calling.
Much love!
It is a fact from beginning to end in The WORD, God the Father and His Son will not allow Sinners into Their Family.
Rev 21: 8,
The Father and the Son will never fellowship with Sinners, I John 3: 4
Yes, the shed Blood of Jesus Christ paid for my sins -- all of them. That does not mean I can continue to disregard (transgress) the Commandments, the Statutes and Judgements. Even the least of them.
You should listen to the The Holy Spirit ====no me or yourself ------seek direction and the Rhema Word from the Holy Spirit -------Get the Spiritual meaning behind the Words in Scripture ------that is what you should be doing ---
Wisdom comes from Being in the Word every day and listening to the Direction of the Holy Spirit --not mankind -----
1 Corinthians 2:6
God’s Wisdom Through the Holy Spirit
6 The words we speak to those who have grown in the faith are wise. Our words are different from the wisdom of this world. Our words are different from those of the rulers of this world.Get the Rhema word =====from the Holy Spirit
Lexical Summary
rhéma: Word, saying, utterance, matter
i.e. a spiritual hearing that goes with the divine inbirthing of faith.
4487 rhḗma (from 4483 /rhéō, "to speak") – a spoken word, made "by the living voice"
. a spiritual hearing ----
The Holy Spirit's communication is intended for guiding believers into all truth and glorifying Jesus,
bringing to mind biblical spiritual truth rather than creating entirely new, unbiblical revelations.
The Holy Spirit facilitates understanding of Scripture by illuminating the text,
moving beyond human intellect to reveal spiritual meaning and truth.
So Markss get that -------that is what you need =====when reading Scripture
“The Father and the Son will never fellowship with Sinners, I John 3: 4”
“And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
Matthew 9:10-13 KJV
“This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.”
1 Timothy 1:15 KJV
“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
Romans 5:8 KJV
If he didn’t call and welcome sinners there would be no one to ever come to him and be accepted . He doesn’t leave sinners in that state but surely without any doubt he welcomes and calls home sinners exclusively and rejects the self righteous
“To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else,
Jesus told this parable: “Two men went up to the temple to pray,
one a Pharisee
and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘
God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ “A
But the tax collector stood at a distance.
He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God.
For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.””
Luke 18:9-14 NIV
“If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:8-10 NIV
He came to save us sinners and call us to repentance and make us able to live upright lives in his presence
You are not paying attention to the op. You are responding to a person who has taken the entire thread off course because he is persuaded that he is the only important person in the room. He is wrong. He is not a part of the actual discussion and has no desire to be. His only interest is to take over the conversation.
Getting back to your comment. As I have never in my entire life and in front of many witnesses in this forum for the good number of years I have been here, ever said or hinted that we are free to sin.
The op is actually a very simple one. If you read the op, you may have seen this verse:
........................................... For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. John 1:17
The title of the op is The grace of God and the Law. The verse above is specific as to the direction of the thread. Grace came through Jesus; the law was given (yes from God) thorugh Moses
No matter how hard you may try to find anything about sin being allowed or approved once a person is a believer, in this thread or in any other I have posted in,you will never, not ever, find that I have said so.
Thank you
You have an agenda. It is you own and has nothing to do with the op. You have bullied myself and at least one other person when he has asked you repeatedly and nicely to stop using those huge letters because it bothers his eyes.
But you don't care a bit about that and I noticed in another thread a different person asked the same of you but you don't care about others even if they ask nicely. I know you have to go out of your way to change the size and darkness of the font so you spend quite a bit of time doing that. I think this is a childish method you use to draw attention to your posts.
You are not fine. You are intrusive, enjoy bullying others and have repeatedly continued to ignore the actual op which has nothing to do with your obsession with telling others they are sinners and need to repent.
You are not fascinated with Jesus whom you try to put in front of your bragging and self righteousness...you are fascinated with trying to make it seem we have to work to keep salvation. That, actually makes you a Judaizer.
To me the question is simple, and can be expressed this way:
Does God seek our obedience through threat of spiritual death, or by revealing Himself to us knowing that as His children being in an active relationship with Him changes us, making us able to control ourselves?
There is a follow-up question, When we've continue to sin, and are not stopping, does God respond by "unbirthing" us, and resurrecting our flesh to be unrenerate again, or does He respond with effective discipline?
For me these answers are very clear in the Bible.
Much love!
See? works all the way. works and saying we are still sinners. That is not biblical and that makes you a Judaizer.
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7;not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
10For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servantof Christ. Galatians 1
Oh is that why you just try to take over the threads of others? That way you can play dumb and simple and make it seem you are just some innocent come along and do not have any idea of what the actual op is talking about.
That, is narcissism 101. Gaslighting at its finest. People here are not as dumb as you in your vanity think. We just always try to give people the benefit of the doubt until they demonstrate otherwise. Being kind is normal for actual believers and you take advantage of it but you know...enough is enough. We are not dumb; we see what you are doing and it says what kind of person you really are
"Christian narcssists'. It's a thing. They exist and consider sincere believers prey for their supply.
I just do not like to point that out in the normal course of things, but the example of gaslighting and feigned innocence while blaming others is classic.
I just do not like to point that out in the normal course of things, but the example of gaslighting and feigned innocence while blaming others is classic.