Understanding God’s election

[Magenta]

"Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." Jesus' words, John 3 verse 3 If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Romans 8 verse 9 Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything. What counts is a new creation. Galatians 6 verse 15 The spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 1 Corinthians 15 verse 46
Thank you for the inspiration!

 

[lrs68]

Here you go again! Now you claim God ordained all humans to live for Him. Since many do not live for him, then you must believe that we have a very weak God who has control over nothing.

Why would God be weak for ordaining the only way to Salvation being through Jesus in the beginning and foundation of the world?

 

[GWH]

'TRY' is the key word.

Concerning salvation and eternal security no need to "TRY."

It's equal privilege and equal opportunity.

All can believe. And All have eternal security.

Draw your theory out.....It's not equal privilege and equal opportunity. Some may forfeit, walk away, jump out of His hand or lose salvation.....Impugning His Justice.

Yes, "try" means "seek", and concerning salvation all can obey Christ's call to repent and seek salvation--forever.
But some may choose not to persevere in saving faith--justly going to hell for despising divine love.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

There's that human will matter again. The ultimate use of it in fact and our ultimate guide for our use of it.

Sorry I don’t know what your saying

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Here you go again! Now you claim God ordained all humans to live for Him. Since many do not live for him, then you must believe that we have a very weak God who has control over nothing.

“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.


But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-19‬ ‭

God doesn’t claim to control man’s actions he teaches them to do good and live and warns them of evil and death then says choose good and live

he speaks his word and calls to mankind ….he doesn’t operate them like puppets he created living souls in his own image

 

[PaulThomson]

Now ask yourself – If it had been God's plan for Esau to die at the age of 6 weeks, would he have been saved or was he chosen for destruction prior to birth?

IF it had been God's plan for Esau to die at the age of 6 weeks, he would have been saved. However, God chooses no one for premature death, so the premise of your question is flawed, making your conclusion flawed.

It is also logically flawed to assume that because God allocated Esau and his descendants to serve Jacob and his descendants as the tribe through whom messiah would come in 1836 BC, that God's statement made 1400 years later, in 430 BC, rebuking Esau's descendants for seeking the destruction of Jacob during the fourth and fifth centuries BC, was addressed to the baby Esau in the womb of Rachel.

Interpreting God's expression of hatred of the 4th century BC Edom to be an expression of God's hatred for their original progenitor who lived 1400 years earlier. God does not hate someone on the basis that their descendants 1400 years later will do evil things.