Who Justifieth the Ungodly

[brightfame52]

If God justifieth the Ungodly ?

If God justifieth the Ungodly the ungodly as it states in Rom 4:5

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Then His Justifying of them is prior to that ungodly one believes, for if not, then if believing is the condition of ones Justification before God, then it only stands to reason that believing is before ones Justification, in which case that one was a believer before Justified, and not ungodly, for never in scripture is a believer recognized as ungodly, but Rom 4:5 teaches that God Justifieth one while being ungodly, and therefore before ones Faith or Believing !

This is the same as they being reconciled to God while being enemies or ungodly Rom 5:10, so it can be also stated, that believeth on Him that reconciled the Ungodly, but how ? Not by their faith, for they are ungodly enemies, but by the death of His Son! 14

 

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To whom was God speaking in the verse?

Genesis 3:

14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Who do you think ?

It does not matter what I (or you) "think".

It matters what God states and in Genesis 3:14, God tells you to whom He was speaking. I even bolded the words in the verse so you would know.

You even stated in your Post 2629:

The Lord God spoke to the serpent and said that He was put enmity between him and woman and his seed and her seed.

Again, I reiterate:

Interesting ... the promise by God concerning Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ ... and all you're interested in is the seed of the serpent ....

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you say His death was worthless to save them from their sins.

nope ... that's all on you. You saying I said what you claim does not equal me having said it. That is nothing but you projecting on to me the thoughts the adversary whispered in your ear and you not having the spiritual fortitude to cast down vain reasoning.

A sampling of the times you repeated your false claim:

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1 Peter 1:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot

What you claim to be "worthless" is of inestimable value to me. You really just need to stop with your malicious accusation.

You do know who is the accuser of the brethren, yes?
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[reneweddaybyday]

World means different things in scripture, for the most part in Salvation context it means Gentiles apart from jews.

Thayer's, references that distinction in one verse only (Romans 11:12).

As far as 2 Cor 5:19, Thayer's defines kosmos as "the inhabitants of the world ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race"

2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their respasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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Acts 5:31

at the very least you should read Acts 5:31 together with Acts 5:32, brightfame52:

Acts 5:

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.


The "those that do not obey Him" of Acts 5:32 are the same as those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness of Romans 1:18.

As I pointed out to you ...

Scripture is also clear that God reveals Himself and some reject God ... not because they do not have faith, but because they suppress/restrain the truth in unrighteousness:


Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse


Rom 1:18-20 tells us that God makes plain His eternal power and Godhead ... however, this truth is suppressed. The words "who hold" in vs 18 are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to suppress; hold back; restrain. When the Word of God is spoken, the hearer restrains the truth from reaching his/her heart.

It is clear from vs 19 that God reveals His eternal power and Godhead and it is clear from vs 18 that it is the person who rejects God.

Christ died for the whole world of the saved.

... more of your manipulation of Scripture in your feeble attempt to prop up your erroneous dogma.
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more obfuscation on your part. The "natural mind of man" can "know and understand" Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

no in-depth spiritual insight is required by the "natural mind of man" to understand what is written in Gen 1:1. However, the "natural mind of man" that rejects what is written in Gen 1:1 will reap the consequence of his/her having suppressed the truth in unrighteousness.

Natural man is spiritually dead. I dont care how much he reads the bible

:rolleyes ... I know you need to have Gen 1:1 be beyond the capability of natural man to understand ... but you needing it to be so does not mean it is so.

Natural man can understand what is written in Gen 1:1 and when natural man rejects the truth written in Gen 1:1, he/she will reap the consequence of his her having suppressed the truth in unrighteousness.

As I have told you in the past, if you teach folks you witness to that they will never understand Scripture, then you are teaching exactly what the adversary wants taught and you will see Bibles "setting around collecting dust" because (according to you) the Word of God is just "words written on paper".
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John 1:12-13 does not support your claim

John 1:

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name

The Lord Jesus Christ clearly states that He gave power [the right, the privilege] to become the sons of God (vs 12) to those who did not reject Him (vs 11).

If they are already "born of God", they already are the sons of God. There would be no need for the Lord Jesus Christ to give them what they already have and are.

Until a person is born again, they are spiritually dead to God and the things of God. The Natural man cannot receive spiritually the words of God because they need to be spiritually discened 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

You believe the spiritually dead natural man has spiritual discernment ?

brightfame52 ... you are either purposely obfuscating or you are incapable of comprehending the point. What you are not doing is addressing the issue raised:

John 1:

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


verse 12 explains what occurs when a person receives [Greek lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting what is available] the Lord Jesus Christ as opposed to those who reject Him as those shown in vs 11.

Those who lay hold by actively accepting the Lord Jesus Christ are granted the privilege, honor, right to become sons of God.

even to them that believe on his name ... those who receive Him (lambanō – to lay hold by aggressively (actively) accepting) are the ones who believe on His name.

verse 13 explains that those who receive Him ... those who believe on His name are begotten of God ... not in some distant time in the past to which you continuously infer ... but at the time they received the Lord Jesus Christ and believed on his name (vs 12).


The point is that if a person is already a son of God, there is no need for Jesus to give them power to become a son of God.

That is the point you continue to ignore ... either because you are incapable of comprehending the point ... or you are purposely obfuscating.

Please address the point.
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You dont believe plain scripture.

that I do not hold to your erroneous dogma you've been "studying for decades" does not mean I "don't believe plain scripture".

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

enemies translated from Greek echthros – ("enemy"), implies irreconcilable hostility,

reconciled translated from Greek katallássō – decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.


The one who is justified by faith (Rom 5:1) is no longer an enemy because he/she is now reconciled. Both parties are now reconciled.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... God reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he/she is justified. At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (see definition of reconciled translated from Greek katallássō).

Under your erroneous dogma, a person is simultaneously irreconcilable and reconciled.
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Don't justify yourself for doing something you criticize others for doing

sigh ... apparently you do not understand the difference between myself (and others) examining/scrutinizing your dogma and a personal attack ... which is what you did when you claimed it was your "privilege to tell ya that they really don’t believe it at all !" ... or your claim that I was "lying on you" and you finally acknowledged I was not "lying on you" because I had accurately represented your statements.

In examining your dogma, I never said you are not a believer or that you are not born again.

You not understanding the difference between scrutiny/examination of your dogma and a personal attack does not give you license to assert your outlandish accusations/personal attacks.

There is no need for me to "plan on keeping every jot and title" of your erroneous dogma because I actually believe what is written in Scripture:

Scripture is quite clear faith ≠ works.

Romans 4:

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

You dont believe this, you believe in law keeping faith

More of your erroneous dogma which does not affect me in the least.


READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Again you deny the witness of the resurrection of Christ Rom 4:25

What is written in Romans 4:25 does not change the fact that the verbs are in the present tense in Romans 4:5:

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth [present tense] on him that justifieth [present tense] the ungodly, his faith is counted [present tense] for righteousness.

The verbs are in the present tense which means that at the very moment the person believes, his/her faith is counted for righteousness ... at that very moment, God justifies the one who believes ... at that very moment the believer is no longer ungodly.

Please address the issue concerning the verb tense in Romans 4:5. They are all present tense, notwithstanding what is written in Romans 4:25.
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all for whom He died are Justified from all sin, and counted righteous

intentionally obtuse ...

Address the issue, brightfame52:

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not [present tense], but believeth [present tense] on him that justifieth [present tense] the ungodly, his faith is counted [present tense] for righteousness.

The verbs are in the present tense which means that at the very moment the person believes, his/her faith is counted for righteousness ... at that very moment, God justifies the one who believes ... at that very moment the believer is no longer ungodly.

If you can't address the issue, just say you can't address it.

but he was justified before God, by the blood of Christ, before he became a believer

"before he became a believer", he was not "justified before God". Before he became a believer he was ungodly.

thats why its stated God Justfieth the ungodly Rom 4:5. God Justified the ungodly elect because Christ died for them.

Romans 4:5 does not support your claim. Again, all the verbs in Romans 4:5 are in the present tense:

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not [present tense], but believeth [present tense] on him that justifieth [present tense] the ungodly, his faith is counted [present tense] for righteousness.

The verbs are in the present tense which means that at the very moment the person believes, his/her faith is counted for righteousness ... at that very moment, God justifies the one who believes ... at that very moment the believer is no longer ungodly.

According to Scripture, a person is not simultaneously justified and ungodly.

False, the elect are Justified by the Blood of Christ while ungodly as they are reconciled to God by His death while they are enemies Rom 5:10

sigh ... again, brightfame52, the word "reconciled" in Romans 5:10 is translated from the Greek word katallassó which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the same position.

God (the Party of the first part) established His eternal purpose in eternity past ... God reconciled Himself to mankind through the death of His Son.

The believer (the party of the second part) is reconciled at the time he/she is justified (i.e. being justified by faith – Rom 5:1). At that point, both parties (God and the believer) came to the same position (see definition of reconciled translated from Greek katallássō).

In reading through Romans 4 – 5 it is the believer who "changes" to the "same position as God".

we know that Christs resurrection is an evidence that those He died for have been Justified

brightfame52, do you really believe that if not for mankind believing, the Lord Jesus Christ would have remained in the grave? ... that the grave could hold him???

Acts 2:24 Whom [the Lord Jesus Christ] God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

the Lord Jesus Christ would have risen from the grave if no one believed.

I have quoted before John Gill

You want to look at Gill? Let's look at and highlight what you choose to ignore:

but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly: or that ungodly one: particular reference is had to Abraham, who in his state of unregeneracy was an ungodly person; as all God's elect are in a state of nature, and are such when God justifies them, being without a righteousness of their own; wherefore he imputes the righteousness of another, even that of his own Son, unto them: and though he justifies the ungodly, he does not justify their ungodliness, but them from it; nor will he, nor does he leave them to live and die in it; now to him that worketh not, that is perfect righteousness; or has no opportunity of working at all; or what he does, he does not do, that he might be justified by it; but exercises faith on God as justifying persons, who, like himself, are sinners, ungodly and destitute of a righteousness​

From Cambridge Bible Schools for Colleges:

Here St Paul leaves the special features of Abraham’s case, to enforce the principle of Justification by an extreme case. He contemplates a man so emphatically “without works” as to be an open sinner: now, this man is justified, is declared to be accepted as righteous, on the sole condition of faith in the Justifier.​

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Rom 5:1

Therefore being justified, by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

The punctuation like the comma isnt inspired, so if you put the comma after the word Justified, you have a better sense of the meaning.

In agreement the punctuation is added to the text and we can leave it out altogether. That does not change the meaning of the verse:

Therefore being justified by faith we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Therefore being Justified looks back to the conclusion of Rom 4:25 at the witness of the resurrection, which witness affirms that those Christ died for, He was raised for their Justification.

That is your problem. You remove single verses from the context within which the Author of Scripture has placed them and then veer off to your erroneous dogma.

Romans 5:1 follows more than just the one verse prior to it.

The focus of Romans chapter 4 teaches justification by faith and Romans 4 makes clear that faith ≠ works.


Another claim of your erroneous dogma:

"those Christ died for"

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Such ones will be given Faith to believe

Looking at the faith of Abraham as shown in Romans 4, nowhere does Scripture state that God gave Abraham faith and then Abraham believed.

What we read is that Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness (Rom 4:3).

Even going back to Genesis where we first read of the faith of Abraham:

Genesis 15:6 And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [God] counted it to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

You add to Scripture what is not stated in Scripture.

Rom 15:13

Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Also the believing comes through the power of the Holy Ghost

According to Romans 15:13, what "comes through the power of the Holy Ghost" is our abounding in hope:

Romans 15:13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

We abound in hope through the power of the Holy Ghost.

Quit acting like such a buffoon ... Learn how to properly submit posts in the Christian Chat forum. There's a "User2User Tech Support" forum where you can chat with other users who are much more adept at submitting posts than you are. Go there and find out what you need to do in order to submit a post without mangling the discussion.

Insults

nope … factual statement.

Please note I did not call you a buffoon ... I asked you to stop "acting like a buffoon". There is a difference.

If you need me to explain the difference, please let me know and I will be happy to do so.
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Already addressed these matters, you dont listen.

you can claim you have "Already addressed these matters" all the livelong day. However, you make conflicting statements and when the discrepancy is pointed out to you, rather than seriously consider the issue, you sweep it under the carpet and claim "Already addressed these matters" and accuse others "you don’t listen".

Your claim in Post 910 that "its no where in scripture where the believer in Christ is stated to be the ungodly or in a ungodly state" is correct.

In post 2514, your response of "That's false" when I told you "Once a person is justified, he/she is no longer "ungodly" " is incorrect.

And I understand you have to claim that because your erroneous dogma states that a person is justified before he/she comes to faith in Christ.
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that's regeneration before you hear the Gospel.

Scripturally unsound dogma.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it [the gospel] is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth

No believe the gospel, no salvation ...


Romans 10:

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Hear ... then believe.


Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

Hear ... then believe ... then sealed with that holy Spirit of promise = regeneration.

You add to the truth of Scripture to your own detriment.

You have the person born again (regeneration) ... then they believe the gospel.

Yet we read in Ephesians 1:13 that the believer hears ... then believes ... then is sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise (regeneration):

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise

The sealing ministry of the Spirit in Eph 1:13 isnt regeneration, thats your statement not scripture.

The word "sealed" is translated from the Greek word sphragízō which means to seal (affix) with a signet ring or other instrument to stamp (a roller or seal), i.e. to attest ownership.

According to Scripture, the very moment a person is born again, he/she is sealed by the Holy Spirit. Every single born again believer is a child of God and belongs to Him (i.e. is owned by God).

Because the sealing signifies ownership, then that means under your dogma, you've got folks regenerated who are not owned by God. So God does not own those who according to you are regenerated? They are born again (regenerated) ... children of the Most High God ... and yet they are not owned by Him because (according to you) regeneration occurs before they hear, yet the sealing takes place at some later point.

Peter stated in Acts 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

Acts 15:7 and Ephesians 1:13 are in alignment with each other ... first hear then believe the gospel

they hear first [by regeneration] then believe

The words " [by regeneration] " do not appear in the text – they are added by you.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

World here in these scriptures denote the elect

From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

5. the inhabitants of the world: ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16 ... 1 John 2:2​

You have again failed in your dismal attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error!

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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brightfame52 ... you have again botched your reply in Post 2737.

brightfame52 said:
The Spirit quickens whoever Christ died for
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

In the post to which you replied, you submitted only the first sentence and I submitted the three verses of Scripture.

Your sentence is in error because Scripture clearly reveals the Lord Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world ... the whole ... which means He died for all descendants of Adam.




Then you've got this quote:

brightfam52 said:
reneweddaybyday said:
Yet Scripture tells us Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof (Rom 6:12).
That’s after they ceome a believer, after they are born again
So according to you, sin is okay with God as long as the person is not a believer???? Please provide chapter and verse for that lie from the pit.

You then stated:

Foolish comment, you seem confused.

Then you submitted another botched quote and then accused me of "More foolish confusing comments".

Perhaps if you would take the time to learn how to properly submit posts in this forum, you would realize the confusion is on your part due to your inept capturing of comments to which you attempt to reply.
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My pointing out to you that you have ripped a verse from its context and

My pointing out to you that you have botched your post

does not equal "insults"

in fact, what is an insult to God is you ripping a verse from its context in order to prop up your erroneous dogma ... or your manipulation of Scripture where you rearrange the order of the words in Scripture, then claim that your manipulation is really the way God should have written His Word.

and what is insulting to the members of the Christian Forum is you botching your posts so that it appears you stated words submitted by me (and/or others) or that I (and/or others) stated words that you submitted.

Your point is to insult me

... more delusional supposition on your part.

 

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sigh ... brightfame52 ... you have again botched your Post 2739.


Here is how your post starts out:

brightfame52 said:

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

See the word "now" in vs 9?

You did not make both those statements.



You have another botch when you submitted:

brightfame52 said:
Ones own Faith plays no part in this matter because the fact of Justification before God and Reconciliation to God occurred while they being enemies !
The Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Before Adam and Eve sinned, God made provision for the redemption of mankind. The over-abounding love, mercy, grace of God is made clear throughout the whole of Scripture.

It is clear in Scripture that God reached out to mankind while mankind is in a rebellious state.

You have included my statement with your statement and it appears you made all statements.


When are you going to learn to submit your posts correctly?
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9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

See the word "now" in vs 9?

Yes I see the word now. It looks back to Vs 8

if that was the case, vs 9 would read "Much more then, being then justified by His blood". But that is not how the verse reads.

You claim that justification of mankind occurred at the time the Lord Jesus Christ was crucified. However, Scripture tells us mankind is justified at the time he/she believes.

In the case of Abraham, he believed God and God imputed righteousness to Abraham right when Abraham believed ... Abraham was made righteous during his lifetime. Abraham did not have to wait for centuries until the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ.

False God had already imputed Righteousness to Abraham

That is not what is stated in Scripture:

Genesis 15:6 And he [Abraham] believed in the LORD; and he [God] counted it to him [Abraham] for righteousness.

In order for your understanding to be correct, you have to rearrange the words to fit your stated belief. Just read Scripture as written by the Author of Scripture. If God had wanted the verse to read "And God counted Abraham righteous and Abraham believed", God would have written the verse in that order.

Quit manipulating Scripture in your vain attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.

As I have already pointed out to you in the past, the word reconciled in Rom 5:10 is translated from the Greek word katallássō which means decisively change, as when two parties reconcile when coming ("changing") to the sameposition.

Reconciliation on the part of God to mankind took place before the foundation of the world.

Reconciliation on the part of man to God takes place at the time a person turns to God in faith ... at that point we are no longer enemies.

Christs death alone reconciled all parties involved.

Your statement is incorrect because, if true, that would mean there was never any enmity. However, God's Word is clear ... we were enemies and we remain enemies until we are justified by faith (Rom 5:1). At that point, we are reconciled to God and we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

In Col 1:20-22

You have the same problem in Col 1:21 as you have with Rom 5:9:

Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

The word "now" is translated from the Greek word nýn.

Now that the Colossian believers had come to faith in Christ Jesus (Col 1:4), Paul points out in vs 21 that they are no longer alienated ... no longer enemies ... they are reconciled.

Those who reject God even as He reaches out to them remain enemies and are not reconciled to God ... not because God has not made provision for them, but because they reject that which God has provided for them to be reconciled to God.

False teaching

nope ... truth of God's Word

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

The words "who hold" in vs 18 are translated from the Greek word katechō which means to suppress; hold back; restrain. When the Word of God is spoken, the hearer restrains the truth, suppresses the truth.

It is clear from vs 19 that God reveals His eternal power and Godhead and it is clear from vs 18 that it is the person who rejects God.

 

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Rom 3:26

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Now what is Paul Preaching here ?

Paul is teaching that Scripture declares God is Righteous, Just, and the Justifier of those who believe in Jesus.

Thats True

Scripture makes clear that we are justified by faith

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith ...

Yes, by Christ the object of Faith, which you deny

you lie:

it is not faith that saves. It is the OBJECT of faith Who saves ...

It is the Object of faith which is crucial to mankind.

It is the Object of faith which determines the outcome.

when the unbeliever places his/her faith in the truth ... and the Object of his/her faith is the Lord Jesus Christ ... he/she is saved:

Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

the Object of "our Faith, Namely Christ, hath Justified us and made us Righteous."

It is the Object of our faith which determines our salvation.

I have been telling you for months that faith does not save ... that it is the Object of faith Who saves.

I've said it before and I will say it again, it is the OBJECT of faith Who justifies. God is the One Who justifies.

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His Justifying of them is prior to that ungodly one believes

nope ... it's not before ... nor is it after ... it's simultaneous.

Simultaneous = occurring at the same time – mirriam-webster.com
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